[amsat-bb] Re: so long

Graham Shirville g.shirville at btinternet.com
Thu Sep 19 16:09:51 PDT 2013

Hi Michael,

I think you are being pessimistic..I have done quite a few more orbits 
around the sun than you but I expect that I will see another AMSAT supported 
HEO/GTO (or similar) spacecraft launched in my lifetime. Probably more than 
one! I have no particular inside knowledge just an understanding that almost 
everything moves along in cycles rather than in linear progressions



-----Original Message----- 
From: Michael
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:06 PM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long

I said this a couple of weeks back but since reading all the responses
in this thread, I think I'll say it again.  I'm almost fifty one years
old. I highly doubt that I will ever see an HEO bird launched in my
remaining lifetime. The economic realities of this day and time make the
possibility of a launch extremely remote and I don't see that changing
in the near future.  I can't understand why AMSAT continues to string
people along with promises of  "maybe someday if you donate". Why can't
they just be upfront about it and tell people,  " Hey it aint going to
happen".  There is absolutely nothing wrong with the new direction AMSAT
has taken in pursuing cubesat technology and launches, I applaud them
for it  but the continued lip service to the  " we want an HEO crowd"
gets old.  I for one am not that gullible. Quit telling people what they
want to hear and tell them the truth.
Michael, W4HIJ
On 9/17/2013 7:02 PM, i8cvs wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Becker" <w0jab at big-river.net>
> To: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] so long
>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
>> only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as
>> well as other joining AMSAT in the first place.
>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40
>>   happens.
>> John
> Hi John,W0JAB
> I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided
> to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed
> his policy with only FM satellites.
> I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called
> "the satellites for all" and I invested a lot of money for equipments
> and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near
> future.
> In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect
> grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and
> particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and
> it was very nice until lasted.
> As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL
> to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all
> my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of
> membership.
> By the way I am not against  AMSAT-NA because I understand
> the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write
> many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any
> money reward.
> If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order
> of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of
> AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many
> members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no
> HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two
> ways communications between continents was not a
> satisfactory task.
> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they
> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using
> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming
> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry !
> 73" de i8CVS Domenico
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