[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29

Michael Tondee mat_62 at netcommander.com
Wed Sep 24 19:43:09 PDT 2008

Well put Tim but it probably is falling on deaf ears. A lot of us that 
actually enjoy the FM sats have had this converstion with Dave before. 
Everyone and I mean everyone, wants an HEO but it doesn't look like it's 
happening anytime soon. Why not enjoy every possible bird up there in the 
Michael, W4HIJ
AMSAT # 36017
"Pulling for any satellite of any type and mode that can increase our 
operating enjoyment!!"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n3tl at bellsouth.net>
To: "Dave Guimont" <dguimon1 at san.rr.com>; "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs at tin.it>
Cc: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:05 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29

> Mr. Guimont,
> I take exception to your comments about AO-51 and its relative merits. I 
> am a newcomer to the amateur satellites - having been totally off the air 
> for more than 15 years. I was originally licensed 25 years ago.
> I've submitted a paper that will be published as part of the official 
> proceedings of the AMSAT-NA Symposium that discusses how working AO-27, 
> AO-51 and SO-50 with a handheld station specifically addresses the 
> elements of FCC Part 97.1, which lays out the foundation for the amateur 
> radio service. I hope you'll have a chance to read it.
> I am in the process of getting a full station together to start working 
> the CW/SSB satellites, but if those satellites and the 
> equipment/investment they require had been where I had to start working 
> satellites, I wouldn't have done it. A newcomer can get everything he/she 
> needs to effectively work the three Mode-J FM satellites for about what it 
> costs to buy an xBox 360 console and 2-3 games for it. It occurs to me 
> that parents just might be more interested in investing that amount of 
> money in amateur radio than in video games. That's one reason why I see 
> these satellites and the concept of working them with handheld stations to 
> be a great recipe for introducing newcomers to amateur radio and all it 
> has to offer.
> I see advantages to all of the satellites and all of their various modes 
> of operation. Have you worked AO-16 recently in its "bent pipe" mode? What 
> a hoot! I'm enjoying that a lot, and I look forward to hearing you on 
> FO-29 in the very near future. I hope we'll have a chance to work each 
> other there, and I hope you might reconsider your position on AO-51 and 
> the other two Mode-J FM satellites. As you likely have seen here from 
> posts about it, AO-27 is currently experiencing some problems and is not 
> operating. However, SO-50 is not nearly as busy as AO-51.
> One of the main points I make in the paper I've written for the Symposium 
> is that the quick exchanges made necessary by the nature of these 
> satellites provides great chances for operators to hone their skills at 
> providing pertinent information in a short form during what sometimes can 
> be chaotic (or, at least chaotic-sounding) conditions - things that I know 
> from personal experience are very important in emergency-communications.
> I suppose the excitement of working AO-51 could fade for me in time, but I 
> doubt it.
> 73 to all,
> Tim - N3TL
> AMSAT Member No. 36820
> Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
> -------------- Original message from Dave Guimont 
> <dguimon1 at san.rr.com>: -------------- 
>> >
>> >
>> > > Where is everyone on FO-29???
>> >
>> > >
>> > > We've got from 145.900 to 146.000 on the uplink, cw or ssb, room for
>> > > many, many SIMULTANEOUS QSO'S.
>> > >
>> > > Why fight the mob on AO-51???...
>> > >
>> > > Get Marty Davidoff's SATELLITE EXPERIMENTER'S MANUAL if you need help
>> > > in understanding the procedure...
>> > >
>> > > A fifth grader could do it easily...
>> >
>> >Hi Dave, WB6LLO
>> >
>> >I agree with you and this is why I work only FO-29 but actually for many
>> >reason you are a voice crying in the wilderness.
>> Unfortunate, but true, Dom...AMSAT-NA made such a big promotion of
>> AO-51, supposedly promote interest in hamsats and increase
>> membership, and I think it did just the opposite...
>> I've asked many times how many members we acquired, never got an
>> answer so assume it was zero, nada, nil.....
>> And part of the loss was also many former ssb/cw users that just gave
>> up because of lack of bandspread...
>> I tried to hold a conversation when 51 was first launched, and was
>> berated severely for making a couple of short sentences!!
>> What good is it if no intelligence is transferred??
>> One could swap grid squares on a cell phone, if that is the only 
>> interest!!
>> GO P3E!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> >Pulling for P3E...
>> >
>> >73" de
>> >
>> >i8CVS Domenico
>> >
>> >
>> 73, Dave, WB6LLO
>> dguimon1 at san.rr.com
>> Disagree: I learn....
>> Pulling for P3E...

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