Satgen 448 Lighten our Darkness by GM4IHJ (BID SGEN448) 25 Oct 97 Recent mail into IHJ, suggests, that a lot of European satellite users are interested in LEO Weather satellite pictures. But , presently find the results they are getting are rather puzzling - Sats not transmitting, or , dark pictures. Tackling sats not transmitting first . This applies to the Okean and Sich sats, and the Meteor sats. Okean and Sich only broadcast at rare times, this is their pattern of operation and will not change. You can get advanced warning of Okean schedules on European amateur packet BBs Met 3-5 is different. It is only switched on when the ground beneath it is well lit by the sun. Eg 22 Oct 97 1002utc 3-5 above IHJ northern horizon overhead 81N 92W - 6 hours in suntime behind UK and over the north pole in October when the solar terminator has already descended to 72N over Europe. Indeed the satellite is coming east but does not see sunlit ground until 1011ut at 58N. As the IHJ software reveals. So you get no transmission until the sat is south of 58N, and by December there will be none until it descends below approx 50N. In addition to the above restriction, even when it switches on at 58N. the sat picture covers 4 time zones. To the east it is moderately sunlit. To the west it is muddy brown and indistinct. By January however the concerns will be quite different. Met 3-5 orbit is not sun synchronous and in early 98 it will be in a plane ascending south to north around noon time local. So IHJ should have a picture from satellite acquisition . BUT will lose it as the sat goes over UK heading north and automatically decides it is not seeing enough sunlight , and so switches off. Note these features apply to 3-5, other Meteors if operational, will be in different orbit planes. Operational VHF Noaa sats are presently 12 and 14. Noaa12 is hopeless . Its orbit plane is now very close to the dawn dusk line . So half your picture is always dark. Noaa14 by contrast has an orbit plane which ascends about 90 minutes after local noon, an almost optimum situation . OK on Saturdays and Sundays but not so good for most working folks over the rest of the week. Again however high latitude stations must be aware that even a noon ascending orbit runs out of strong sunlight as it climbs above 50N in December , (58N in November or January) . So do not expect to monitor the weather to your north effectively on the visual display. There is always the Infra Red display but that is far more difficult to interpret and far less interesting than the visual display There is a bonus . But not until the northern summer. When a super sunlit pole gives excellent results 20 hours a day at IHJs 56N. Meanwhile, for those who cannot wait until summer . Okean does provide some short transmissions where the visual is often totally clouded out, but the narrower multi spectral displays of what looks like side scan radar, do give you a picture of some of what you are missing in the visual light display window. Many thanks to all who sent constructive replies about Satgen 447 Amsat Problems. Will try to review answers received, shortly.