Satgen136 Planetary Orbits by GM4IHJ 3rd Nov 91 Ten years ago , many radio amateurs encountered Keplerian Orbital Elements for the first time. The reception was less than ecstatic and for years afterwards the faithful pined for their friendly old Equator Crossings despite the fact that they simply did not work for the elliptical orbit satellites then coming forward. Ten years on we are approaching another " Big step" in orbital dynamics and true to form the Amsat Wind section is trying to pretend it has'nt happened. But like it or not, SARA Oscar 23 FX0SAT or whatever you chose to call it, is up there ,and it can if you are interested provide a neat example to bridge the gap as we move from earth orbits to planetary orbits. SARA is listening to Jupiter . So we need to know where Jupiter is and whether SARA can see/hear it. But SARA is also going around the Earth , so we must also take account of when SARA goes behind the Earth , out of sight of Jupiter.(Sara reports Jupiters natural HF sigs on 145.955MHz FM 300bps) You might think at first that we could lock SARA into an orbit face on to Jupiter, the way we produce a Sun facing orbit by balancing the trade offs between, Solar Time, Sidereal Space Time, and , perturbation of the orbits Right Ascension. But there is a snag. The Earth goes round the Sun in a reasonably regular manner. Jupiter by contrast is one week being overtaken by the Earth then left far behind the Earth, first when the two are the same side of the Sun then over the next dozen years the Earth does 12 orbits to Jupiters 1, producing an apparent motion of Jupiter backwards and forwards like a pendulum but without the latters synchronism. So we have to accept that Saras orbit will be face on to Jupiter one month never losing sight of it for 3 weeks or so Dec 91, then roughly 3 months latter Mar92 Saras orbit will be edge on to Jupiter,causing Sara to be out of sight of Jupiter behind the Earth for up to 35 minutes of each orbit This is where we need new software. We can track Sara with standard Keplerian elements , but we must also introduce a tracking program for Jupiter and somehow combine the dual motions. So with the likelyhood that Planetary software must be added to our micro memory banks Sara is a good point to start to find how to do it. If you are interested in seeing how its done and getting used to this type of software for either Earth orbiters watching planets, or the similar Earth stations watching satellites orbiting non earth planets, software is available for IBM PCs and clones in GWBASIC/BASICA format on 3.5 inch DD DS 720KB disk from GM4IHJ QTHR. Just send a formatted disk in a tough disk post package together with enough postage for its return to you, either stamps or sterling cheques or money orders for postage (no charge for disk or software). Remember airmail is 1.10 sterling to USA and more to VK. Have been using the software in real time for SARA, whilst simultaneously listening to Jupiter HF direct via a program (also on this disk) which tracks any Solar system planet. Very interesting . 73 de GM4IHJ @ GB7SAN