Satgen106 HF SUPERSATS III by GM4IHJ 8th April 91 Congratulations to G3IOR Pat Gowen on what is I believe the first UK/ZL satellite contact. Made at 1040ut 21Mar 91 on RS12 mode KT. I know how long Pat has striven for this .I described the possibilities in Practical Wireless for Sept 87 on page 32. Now Pat has beaten me to it fair and square. HF SUPERSAT plus SUPER SAT operator. The man at the other end was ZL2APM. HF SAT PROP Fact and Fiction. To correct the chap who says " If you get sub horizon HF sats , you must get terrestrial signals from stations under the sat". Sorry old boy but you are missing something. For a sat 1000kms over VK to get a signal to G it must send its downlink to penetrate down through the ionosphere over or near VK. The sat at 1000kms sees a footprint in the ionosphere roughly 2500kms radius. somewhere in that footprint the sat signal must penetrate at an oblique angle. So the footprint MUST HAVE A THIN LOW MAX USABLE FREQUENCY IONOSPHERE ie much less than 29MHz . So no 29MHz VK ground station signals can propagate. Once beneath the ionosphere the sat sig can chordal hop another 4600 kms approx before it rises to hit the underside of the ionosphere about 7000kms from its satellite starting point. Something no VK terrestrial signal can do at this time of day because of LOW MUF over Australia. Equally interesting, if you plot an MUF chart for the sat signal path to G. You find best MUF above 30N and 30S lat, with lowest MUF above the equator and at the start and finish of the sat signal track. Given its 7000kms start the sat signal nicely brackets these "stepping stones " of good MUF again ensuring an easier path than is available to signals of terrestrial origin. This is not theory. It has been checked against nearly one hundred events. So with the present high solar flux the Antipodes VK+ZL are in reach via satellites near VK and ZL. Equally possible but as yet not proven . VK and ZL stations should be able to contact G stations via satellites near G. 0500ut or there abouts seems favourite time . So if you are an early riser listen to RS12 KT orbits over UK around that time. Contrary to recent statements, none of this is new. This subject has been well researched by commercial and radio amateur groups for 34 years. There is software for checking theory against practical propagation results. Sorry I cannot send charts by packet or would put one here. If however you want to see what they look like , see RSGB Space Radio Handbook pages 90 to 94, or drop me a medium SASE ( with details of Date , time ut , sat used , contact with, mode, AZ, if you want me to plot any of your sub horizon propagation events), or, send you some of Pat's or my own examples. 73 de John 8 Whitehills Saline Fife KY12 9UJ , GM4IHJ @ GB7SAN