Satgen140 Using and Abusing Keplerian Elements by GM4IHJ 1st Dec 91 Example 1 As W3IWI recently pointed out. Using NASA/NORAD elements to follow the very interesting orbital changes of Oscar 13, needs care. NASA compile these elements starting from launch date , and then update them very frequently using radar measurements. The problem with this is that atmospheric drag to quote just one cause of orbit change, is highly unpredictable and, very spasmodic. If say Ao13 has just experienced several days of increased drag due to the upper atmosphere being supplemented by the output of a Solar storm, any attempt to pull the Keps into line with the radar will probably grossly overcorrect. NASA compensate for this by taking frequent up dates but this has the result that if you try to use their every bulletin for plotting AO13, you get an effect like trying to walk a straight line when you are drunk. Sober observers are aware that individual NASA bulletins contain a lot of random fluctuations . So taking a smooth view of AO13 using new keps at least a month apart. AO13 seems to be slowing it suicide dive. The decrease of perigee low point altitude (and complementary increase of Apogee high point altitude)is perhaps bottoming out. The important point over the next few months will be what happens to Apogee now that AO13 is suffering some drag at perigee. If apogee declines markedly, AO13 is still in trouble. Example 2 Another use to which more and more radio amateurs are putting Keplerian elements, is Orbit Modelling. Eg is Sara Oscar 23 in a good orbit for viewing Jupiter? Decrease the mean motion to give the sat some "theoretical height". Does Jupiter viewing time increase ? Please note that SARAs orbit is clearly not optimum for its task , because its low altitude means it is often viewing Jupiter through the Ionosphere. So its reception of 2 to 15MHz signals is highly variable. Did anyone model this before SARA was built? This is certainly an area in which Amsat/IARU could have helped. Yes , SARA had to take the orbit it was given. But why restrict its reception to a frequency band which would often be obscured. Modelling during design would have pin pointed this conflict of purpose. Example 3 What ever you do with Keplerian elements remember their limitations.NASA warn ,they are not very accurate.The NASA method of updating individual units from launch , even when those units join up subsequently, produces some hilarious results , if you take them at face value.Current Keps for Kristall/Mir show these units which are firmly docked together as having different mean motions ( K= 15.584979613 , M= 15.5854001 ) A non existent difference of about 0.0004 of an orbit per day = 16 kms approx. So who can believe a Keps statement to more than 3 places of decimals ? Software for orbit modelling, must be flexible, so that mean motion, station location, orbit perturbation , can be varied whilst the program is running, permitting print out of changes and their effects. Several stations report difficulty COMPILING my SPW.bas SARA PLANET WATCHER software (as transmited file no.3352 on UO3 ). Problems arise because COMPILED BASICS use reduce COMMAND sets and restrict program variable names. If you compile my INTERPRETED BASIC software, you destroy its modelling flexibility because you must DELETE the several instances where I use commands which are not in the COMPILED command set (EDIT,LIST )to extract/alter terms whilst the program is running. 73 de GM4IHJ @ GB7SAN