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Re: HEO launch possible???



You're off by a factor of more than 100 in cost. The payload is less than 1% 
of the launch mass. Pricing is also not linear as there are costs in 
addition to fuel.

73,

John
KD6OZH

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luc Leblanc" <lucleblanc6@videotron.ca>
To: <amsat-bb@amsat.org>
Cc: <eu-amsat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:41 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO launch possible???


> Hi satellite fans
>
> Just came out of a bad dream tonight after reading this Ariane 5 
> announcement?
>
> "The 186th Ariane mission will launch two communications satellites, 
> primarily
> intended for direct TV broadcast services and data networks: HOT BIRDTM 9 
> and W2M,
> both for Eutelsat.
>
> This will be the 42nd Ariane 5 launch.
>
> The launcher will be carrying a total payload of 9,220 kg, including 8,340 
> kg for the
> two satellites, which will be released separately into their targeted 
> orbits."
>
> Just note The 9220Kg payload and theses Ariane 5 figures
>
> LEO Payload* (28.5 deg., 550 km) GTO Payload* (7 deg. inclination)
> 39,600 lb 18,000 kg                             (single / dual manifest) 
> 15,000 lb / 13,160 lb 6,800 kg / 5,970 kg
>
>
> Configuration
> Core + 2 SRB + Aestus Second Stage
>
> Launch Mass
> 1,570,000 lb
> 710,000 kg
>
> Estimated Launch Price US $120 M
>
> * Performance provided by Arianespace.
>
> There is room for a 150kg amateur HEO satellite and at an US$169 per kilo 
> a 150Kg mass should cost US $25350!!!
>
> I'm not too quick in calculus but how the +_ millions USD P3E and EAGLE 
> launch cost came from? integration work? shipping and handling?
>
> I know that at the top of a Ponzi pyramid numbers added very fast but even 
> with the worst case scenario there is something who's not added
> up correctly here?
>
> The killing question is: Is the actual P3E and EAGLE launch issues are 
> really a financial matter? and those very high HEO launch cost
> estimates are hiding something else?
>
>
> If you want to see where i got theses figures go to:
>
> http://www.spaceandtech.com/spacedata/elvs/ariane5_specs.shtml
>
>
> "-"
>
>
> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
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>
>
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