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Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. andAMSAT-NAPriorities



Andrew:
I appreciate your concern.  As soon as the BoD gets there act together on a 
strategy that ensures HEO as originally, planned/communicated to the members 
back in 2004 then I will jump back in the pool.  In the mean time AMSAT-DL 
gets my money :-)

- Joe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@mindspring.com>
To: <k7zt@suddenlink.net>; <amsat-bb@amsat.org>; "John B. Stephensen" 
<kd6ozh@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and 
AMSAT-NAPriorities


> If anyone wants to know why the majority of BOD members avoid the -bb like 
> the plague, replies like Joe's are why.
>
> Dialog is always open, but sometimes facts get in the way. Do you know 
> that AMSAT-NA has spent more money on P3E than Eagle so far? The launch is 
> the prime problem we have to solve. AMSAT leadership is working very hard 
> to find a way to get to a high orbit. As I type this we have people 
> talking to various launch providers at the SmallSat conference about HEO, 
> MEO, and GEO launch opportunities. AMSAT leadership also spent this entire 
> weekend sequestered working on alternative strategies to accomplish our 
> goals, and to fix the problems we know we have. I also recently travelled 
> to the Alaska Hamfest (not on AMSAT's dime) to present our status to the 
> attendees, and to take their concerns and recommendations into account. If 
> you have some specific plan, idea, or want to volunteer to help make your 
> desires come true, then by all means let someone know directly. Member 
> opinions are important, and are taken seriously, and we need all the help 
> we can get.
>
> More information on these course corrections will be forthcoming soon. 
> Sooner if people quit throwing stones.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> PS.
> Joe, I noticed your membership was last renewed in 2004. Perhaps you might 
> want to call Martha at 1800 322 6728 and renew if you want your opinions 
> for AMSAT's direction to be taken to heart. Successful change comes from 
> within, and the last time I got mad at AMSAT I signed up as a Life Member, 
> and then ran for the BOD the following year.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <k7zt@suddenlink.net>
> To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@mindspring.com>; 
> <amsat-bb@amsat.org>; "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh@comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and 
> AMSAT-NAPriorities
>
>
>> NOTICE to ALL HEO proponents:
>>
>> YOU HAVE BEEN OVERRULED, dialog is finished, so stop it.
>>
>> ---- Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> At this point AMSAT is going to take the first thing that gets us above 
>>> LEO
>>> that we can afford. If that is HEO, so be it. If it is GEO, it's GEO. 
>>> Being
>>> divided and fussy over the details only detracts from the effort. We are
>>> basically beggars in the launch market, and we all know the saying about
>>> beggars and choosers. The mission is to provide long access time 
>>> satellite
>>> comms on a daily, then 24/7 basis. How that happens is yet to be
>>> determined...
>>>
>>> Sorry to be so brief but I have a lot going on with my day job at the
>>> moment. There will be more information forthcoming.
>>>
>>> 73, Drew KO4MA
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt@suddenlink.net>
>>> To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh@comcast.net>; <amsat-bb@amsat.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:44 AM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
>>> AMSAT-NAPriorities
>>>
>>>
>>> > John:
>>> > That certainly is one approach, I'm not saying that there is anything
>>> > wrong
>>> > with that, it's just a change in the stated goals of Eagle.
>>> > The leadership needs to get in front of this and announce this is a
>>> > significant shift in  organizational strategy if indeed that is the 
>>> > plan.
>>> >
>>> > At they same time for the sake of honesty they should probably tell 
>>> > folks
>>> > that this will end AMSAT-NA sponsorship of an HEO (Molmiya Orbit)
>>> > anytime soon or even in their lifetime ;-/
>>> >
>>> > - Joe
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> > From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh@comcast.net>
>>> > To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt@suddenlink.net>; <amsat-bb@amsat.org>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:05 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NA Priorities
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>> It appears that leadership is allowing realities of
>>> >>> a rare, expensive launch opportunity drive the mission rather than 
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> mission driving the launch method,  it's a bit like the tail wagging 
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> dog
>>> >>> don't you think?
>>> >>>
>>> >> AO-40 was the case of a rare launch opportunity driving the mission. 
>>> >> The
>>> >> AMSAT BoD has stated that the purpose of creating a relelationship 
>>> >> with
>>> >> Intelsat would be to provide multiple launch opportunities. It seems 
>>> >> to
>>> >> me
>>> >> that finding an affordable launch method should be the first step 
>>> >> rather
>>> >> than the last step.
>>> >>
>>> >> 73,
>>> >>
>>> >> John
>>> >> KD6OZH
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
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>>
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