Re: [amsat-bb] bugs bugs everywhere bugs

[Emily Clarke <emily@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

At 06:52 PM 4/3/2006, wa6fwf@amsat.org wrote:
>Hello All,
>    In case anyone else runs across this, the new webpage is using 
> Unicode characters, to properly
>display you need your encoding set to auto select/user defined, 
>anything else is hit or miss if it will
>display properly, this is on XP with I.E. 6.0.

IE 6.0 on XP is what I run primary - I test with about 15 browsers on 
10 computers.  Even though my furnace is gas, I tell everyone that I 
have electric heat :-)

>    For Linux running KDE using Konqueror, telling Konqueror to fake 
> its identification as I.E. 4.0 on
>W2K it will display in a manner that is readable.

Telling any browser to "Fake" something is dangerous.  Opera, for 
example, will let you enter a browser identification string.  If you 
enter "Joe's Browser" there is nothing I will do other than send you 
off to never-never land (Netscape 4.7 compatible).  Let your browser 
be what it is - if it isn't supported and you think it should be, file a bug.

>this is for the sat status page 
>btw   http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/satellites/status.php
>
>    I wont debate the merits of creating WebPages that require a 
> particular encoding,other than maybe
>a small note at the top mentioning it requires a particular encoding 
>would be nice.

We use Unicode - Universal Encoding.  If you want me to tell people 
in other countries to bugger off let me know.  Otherwise I'd prefer 
to support them.  It's an industry standard and has been for many years.

>     I frequent many Nippon sites which have some really outstanding 
> technical resources and they
>sometimes do not present well unless you pick a western encoding for 
>your web browser which
>  is why it was not displaying well for me, but I have not yet had 
> any problems on any other site so far...
>  being that Amsat-NA is linked Internationally many times I will 
> leave it to Amsat-NA to decide if
>  the new page coding  is better than the old.

Probably because you don't use OpenType fonts - sometime around the 
turn of the century (this one - 2000, not the last one) Microsoft and 
Adobe put aside their differences and converted their fonts to 
OpenType.  OpenType fonts have been freely distributed ever 
since.  OpenType is Unicode encoded - if you are using XP all of your 
fonts are OpenType unless you have disabled using OpenType or have 
told XP to limit itself to the old standard of "Code Pages" at which 
time XP will use the non-OpenType encodings.  We don't force code 
pages because we prefer to let everyone use Unicode.

We are still 4.0 transitional.  This is because if we were to convert 
to 4.0 Strict we would blow everyone out of the water who didn't play 
by these rules.

BTW - all of my remarks are made as the person who generally 
volunteers about 60 hours a week to maintain the website or do 
presentations, not someone who is on the BOD.  Those decisions and 
actions are separate.  The time I spend as a member of the BOD and 
the decisions I make there are separate from the views I express here.

73,
Emily


>73
>Kevin WA6FWF
>Amsat-UK #6505
>
>
> > Hello All,
> >   To Whom It May concern,
> >   just as a FYI the amsat-na satellite status page is having 
> problems, i.e. 6.0 shows 6 triangles only, konqueror shows zero,
> > mozilla looks like it shows them all  but they are boxes.
> >   And if you wondering why I'm posting here and not on the bug 
> report page is because when I fill out the bug page and hit submit
> > it says page not found, so the bugs have bugs have bugs...
> >
> > 73
> > Kevin WA6FWF
> > Amsat-UK #6505
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