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Re: The ESA/SSETI Team Set A New Standard For "Openness"!!!

Hi Bill,

I partly disagree with you..

Look at  http://sseti.gte.tuwien.ac.at/WSW4/team2.htm  and you will 
notice that alone two (2)  Universities provided infrastructure just for 
building up the infra structure (INFRA team) for sharing documents, 
making press releases, creating some excellent Web sites and Web 
services and much much more..

I don't know exactly how many students just worked on this part of the 
INFRA team, but they alone are probably already more individuals than 
those who actually build P3-D or P3-E!!!   Don't over estimate the 
number of active people on AMSAT projects!

I know what I'm talking about..   for quite a while we are looking for 
new people just for such "simple" tasks as maintaining our web site, 
writing articles for our Journal, etc...

And don't forget how much time you had available for such fun projects 
as a student!!!! 
I certainly miss being a student a lot  ;-)

best wishes
Peter, DB2OS

Bill Ress wrote:

>All AMSATs Take Note!!
>The SSETI Team has set a great new standard for openness, public relations
>and communications.
>Throughout the past year I felt like I was a member of the team.
>With the weekly and often daily updates from Graham Shirville, I was with
>the team during the project milestones. (a great job Graham! - Thanks a
>bunch for your time and enthusiasm!!)
>Then there were the webcams where I felt like I was helping wire the
>Then how about that live feed on the Internet of the launch??
>I fully agree with the fine post by Bruce Robertson on the great successes
>of the SSETI endeavor. But I think another significant success was also
>Graham confided in an email that the Internet savvy and "open" leadership of
>25 year old SSETI Project Manager Neil Melville made it easy for him to keep
>the amateur community with SSETI's team all the way. Great job Neil!.
>Perhaps youthful, enthusiastic leadership is part of the answer to our
>sometimes stalled satellite programs.
>There have been times in our amateur satellite building past that I felt we
>were building and launching "military spy" satellites and not amateur
>satellites. I hope the current satellite teams take a lesson from SSETI and
>learn to communicate better and more often.
>So while I too will miss the opportunity to use the U/S transponder, that
>possible short coming is overshadowed by the achievements, knowledge and new
>friendships this international student team has taken away from this
>To everyone on the ESA and SSETI team - thanks for the new standards you
>have set!!
>Bill - N6GHz
>(I'm still maintaining an optimistic attitude that it's not over yet!)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-AMSAT-BB@amsat.org [mailto:owner-AMSAT-BB@amsat.org]On
>Behalf Of Bruce Robertson
>Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:32 PM
>To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
>Subject: [amsat-bb] Learning from SSETI Express
>The current inoperability of SSETI Express is of course a great
>for many of us in AMSAT, but I think we should take our lead from the
>of the students involved, who are concentrating on the lessons learned and
>goals achieved. It may seem to us that describing the 'successes' of SSETI
>Express is excessively optimistic, but I suggest that isn't the case. I work
>with undergraduate researchers in my job, and it is quite true that a great
>can be achieved and learned even if the prime objective is not reached.
>Indeed, I would argue that the same logic can be applied to the situation of
>amateur operators. Let me give three examples and a suggestion.
>For our part, I have on many occasions heard it argued that satellite
>give amateur radio as a whole its forward-looking face and provide the
>with a more balanced view of our hobby. If you've been reading the news
>reports on SSETI, both before and during its troubled last few days, you'll
>been proud of being described as an 'international team of amateur radio
>operators' and the like. SSETI's generous inclusion of us as team members
>been a public relations success (and an honest one at that, as anyone who
>this list can attest!)
>Secondly, Graham and the rest have pioneered a deeper model of
>wherein critical hardware, the expertise to use it, and access to our data
>collecting power is traded for use of the satellite after its primary
>mission is
>completed.  Again, I think it is clear that this model of collaboration was
>success. A reading of the past week's amsat-bb would leave no doubt that we
>amateurs would have been effective in our role.
>Thirdly, it should be noted that within our ranks there was a kind of
>struck: the digital ops. were going to have a few months of work and fun,
>and as
>a result a voice repeater would have been opened up.
>Look at any list of the cubesats and microsats that are planned for the next
>five years, and consider how we might apply the lessons learned from SSETI
>Express to these opportunities. For my part, I believe that we should
>the production of suitable hardware, especially difficult to obtain
>such as the S-band transmitter, to have on hand in order to help projects
>are willing to make the same bargain as the SSETI Express one. It is certain
>that some of these projects will run short on time or on data bandwidth like
>SSETI Express and be happy to make use of such equipment were it available
>short notice.
>As for us, I think this project shows what enthusiasm there is for a LEO
>signal. I know I was looking forward to SSETI Express's FM transponder to
>me improve my S-band setup before the arrival of the HEO's.
>73, Bruce
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