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Re: Slate of Officers Issue BOD



Eric,
The one thing that sticks in my mind is what you get out of  any 
organization has a direct relation to what you contribute to same. These 
organizations are academic in nature, and have knowledge to offer as well as 
some funding for projects.Contributing helps to fund the communications and 
donations to fund the projects.

One of the purposes of Amateur Radio is to learn by doing (Part 97.1 of CFR 
Title 47). You mentioned TAPR who offer circuit boards for projects and that 
service only exists because of support given by its members. AMSAT NA is 
very much the same.
Philosiphy does not adhere to a cause effect relationship and you can't 
measure knowledge in dollars and cents. The dollars only serve as fertilizer 
providing for future growth in trees of knowledge.

Art, KC6UQH

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Christensen" <kf4otn@ericsatcom.net>
To: <brahn@woh.rr.com>
Cc: <amsat-bb@amsat.org>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 5:08 AM
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Slate of Officers Issue BOD


> Bruce,
> I think a lot of people leave AMSAT because of the same reason I left
> TAPR.  I paid my dues to TAPR and realized six months later that I
> hadn't gotten anything that I hadn't already gotten without being a
> member.  All their listservs, files, online journals, etc, are
> available to everyone, paying or not.  Another thing is that I felt
> like there wasn't anything going on and I never got involved in
> anything that was going on (if there was anything going on).  The
> latter is probably more my fault, but those are my reasons for not
> renewing the next time around.
>
> Yeah, yeah...  I know I'm a schmuck but when you are on a fixed and
> tight budget if your money isn't giving you a return on your
> investment, then I'm pulling my money.  AMSAT at least gives me the
> Journal (which is the best technical journal that I have ever read)
> and access to some experts out there that help me when I need it and
> keep my interest up.  That, to me, is worth the funds every year but
> I would like to make some more members-only things that AMSAT is
> paying for.  I'm all for creating an area that non-members can ask
> questions and get information.  But they should be encouraged to
> become members to get MORE information and resources.
>
> Just my 2 cents worth...
>
> Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Rahn [mailto:brahn@woh.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 01:00
> To: Eric Christensen
> Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Slate of Officers Issue BOD
>
> Eric Christensen wrote:
>
>>Bruce,
>>While I agree with your statement that board members and officers
>>should be on the list to hear the voices of the membership,
>>unfortunately this is not the list in which this can be done.
>>
> Agree, but we don't have a members only list.....so where do we do
> it?
> We have to do the best with what we have in place.....and this list,
> as poor as it may be for the purposes stated, is the only venue we
> have right now.
>
>>Far
>>too often we have non-members that feel it is their right to make
> their
>>voice heard to our BOD and officers and this just isn't right.
>>
>>
> We disagree slightly here Eric.  The input of non-members should be
> as welcomed as those of members, but weighted
> appropriately....meaning the members' comments should be acted upon
> before those of non-members.  But every satellite user should be able
> to freely express an opinion.
>
> One huge issue which has bothered me for years is why does AMSAT have
> such a huge loss of members?  It seems we loose about 80 to 90
> percent of all the members who joined.  Why?  We should actively
> solicit the input of former members as to why they left the
> organization.  A lot can be learned.  Sure, some left because the
> kind of satellite they enjoy isn't on-orbit.  Some died.  Some found
> satellite operations were not their cup of tea.  But that doesn't
> explain the HUGE churn rate AMSAT has.  Something else is wrong!
>
>>They should step up to the plate and at LEAST pay their dues if not
> get
>>more involved in the organization and help it become a success.
>>
>>
> I agree, but you have to give the members something in return.  Many
> times that is just knowing that 'management' is listening to them.
> Listening doesn't cost a dime!
>
>>I'll support the candidate that brings more benefits to being a
> member
>>so that when big decisions need to happen we are better represented.
>
>>We need a members-only list and resources on the website and mail
>>aliases.
>>
>>
> I agree with you if we add one clause.....more benefits without and
> increase in operating costs....
>
> I'm afraid AMSAT may be gone, as we know it, sooner than later unless
> the organization does some very serious work on member retention.
> Take a look at your membership number....think what the organization
> could do if it could increase member retention to the 50 percent
> level.  More
> money for satellites, more volunteers, etc.   Raising dues to
> compensate
> for the lack of membership is not the answer.  Asking each member to
> give more is not the answer.
>
>>I think that instead of just a bio, we should get a fact sheet
> telling
>>us what each candidate plans to do during their term and what they
>>support and...  We shouldn't be voting based on name recognition,
> but
>>we need to have the facts.
>>
> I couldn't agree with you more.
>
>>Right now the only way
>>to give these facts out to the entire membership is by mailing
>>everything out with the ballot.
>>
>>
> And that can still be done if the candidates address the 'calls for
> what your position is' which have been addressed by the voices
> speaking here.
>
>
> Regards -- Bruce
> WB9ANQ
> AMSAT-NA 3411 (for those who insist we include membership numbers :)
>
> -- 
> Bruce Rahn
>
> Wisdom has two parts:
> 1.  having a lot to say; and
> 2.  not saying it!
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