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Re: Satellite Inquiry

There are several commercial filters that will provide the filtering
necessary. They can be found a swap meets cheap and retuned. They are small
and easily built.

The question is are we going to try new things? or do we go bacl to Spark
transmitters and Coherrer Detectors.


----- Original Message -----
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@tin.it>
To: "KC6UQH" <kc6uqh@cox.net>; "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@amsat.org>; "William
Erhardt" <k7mt@mt.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:42 AM
Subject: R: [amsat-bb] Satellite Inquiry

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: KC6UQH <kc6uqh@cox.net>
> To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@tin.it>; AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org>; William
> Erhardt <k7mt@mt.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite Inquiry
> > Hi All,
> > If we were to use 2304 and 2448 the difference would be 144 MHz. Make TX
> > LHCP and RX RHCP some filtering on the satellite and you could have a
> linear
> > in band transponder with a low Doppler shift. AO-51 has used this
> > to separate two transmitters. At 2.4 GHz filters can be small and light
> > weight.
> >
> > Here is some fresh meat for the nay sayers!
> >
> > Art, KC6UQH
> Hi Art, KC6UQH
> If the in band transponder is an inverting transponder than the total
> doppler shift is the difference between the doppler at 2304 MHz and the
> doppler at 2448 MHz so that it can be manually compensated on the groung
> with easy on CW and SSB particularly if the satellite is a HEO type like
> AO40 or OSCAR-10-13 wich in turn do not requires automatic antenna
> tracking and so apparently things seams to be easy.
> On the other side the ground station become more complicated because two
> antennas in the same band are required one RHCP to receive and the other
> one LHCP to transmit for example or just the reverse depending on our
> choice.
> In addition the ground RX must be saparated almost 90 dB from the in band
> ground TX if you want to prevent RX desensing because even if the antennas
> have opposite polarizations the IP3 and the -1dB compression points at 2.4
> GHz RX input stage are very low and so you need a large use of ground RX
> filtering and since the TX power is high than the ground TX side requires
> also the use of good low loss interdigital filters.
> Remember that with AO40 using a dual band feed or just two separate
> ground antennas for the L and S bands a passband filter for 2400 MHz was
> required in the S receiving input to prevent desensing from a very far
> 1269 MHz uplink.
> The effort to built a ground station like the above one using a in band S
> transponder can be afforded only by a few numbar of very well skilled
> microwave experimenters and it could be justified only for experimentation
> if the satellite would be a HEO one offering a high worldwide
> performance for many years because in this case you have the time to
> experiment with your antennas and RX/TX while the HEO satellite is
> for hours for the experimenter who is investing time and money but also
> operates in much lower frequencies in V-U and S bands for the DX user who
> buy everyting and like mostly QSLs and DXexpeditions.
> You probably remember that a in band transponder operating in 2 meters was
> used for OSCAR III just early in 1965 where the satellite was placed in to
> LEO orbit and it was receiving around 145.100 MHz and it was transmitting
> around 145.900 MHz in to a 50 KHz BW with a power of 1 watt.
> At that time it was easy to sufficiently separate the ground RX from the
> ground TX using big cavity filters originally designed for terrestrial
> repeaters having shift of 600 KHz but unfortunately the satellite lasted
> only for 18 days of operation but about 1000 amateurs in 22 countries
> where heard through it.
> Why a big success in only 18 days ?
> Because the 2 meter band and CW - SSB but perticularly CW where widely
> worldwide in 2 meters and so it was exciting to find a duplexer for a
> terrestrial repeater retune everyting in a hurry and try to contact by
> satellite having already in hand the right equipments.
> If one year from now a new satellite will be placed in a HEO orbit how
> amateurs have actually in hand equipments and antennas ready to work for
> 2304 MHz and 2448 MHz in addition considering that the Amateur  Satellite
> Service is alloved to operate only from 2400 MHz to 2450 MHz and the FCC
> never permitted to "officially" switch ON the OSCAR-7   2304.100 MHz
> beacon due to regulatory constraints ?
> In conclusion a 13 cm in band transponder could be made only between
> 2400-2450 MHz with a maximum of  less than 50 MHz difference between the
> uplink and downlink and not 144 MHz difference wich made things more and
> more hard to made both in the satellite and the ground station.
> Best 73" de
> i8CVS Domenico
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