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- Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB-digest V2004 #343
- From: "ab4qs1" <ab4qs1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:03:54 -0400
well i see we have some more cry babies ...please wait so i can work someone
.. please get a life and grow up!!!!
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Subject: AMSAT-BB-digest V2004 #343
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 10:38:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: owner-AMSAT-BB-digest@AMSAT.Org (AMSAT-BB-digest)
AMSAT-BB-digest Saturday, August 14 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 343
In this issue:
1: FW: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks.
2: RE: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
3: [amsat-bb] FW: QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
4: RE: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
5: [amsat-bb] Weak Signal Day?
6: Re: [amsat-bb] FW: QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
7: Re: [amsat-bb] Keps
8: Re: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
9: Re: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
10: Re: [amsat-bb] WiSP and XP pro
11: [amsat-bb] EN57, EN-67 and others on the air next weekend
12: Re: [amsat-bb] Weak Signal Day?
13: [amsat-bb] Re: Who wants to offer AMSAT a ride?
14: Re: [amsat-bb] Weak Signal Day?
15: R: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
16: Re: [amsat-bb] Weak Signal Day?
17: Re: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
18: Re: [amsat-bb] Weak Signal Day?
19: Re: [amsat-bb] Keps
20: Re: [amsat-bb] FW: QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:20:31 -0700
From: "Greg Greenaae" <greg@gregnet.net>
Subject: FW: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks.
Tony has a wonderful idea! How much would it hurt the big guns to sit on
standby once in great while to give the newbies and QRPer's a chance? Pick
a day that everyone could coordinate around. This way the little guys get a
chance and we could see just how good this gem of a bird is. :-)
- -----Original Message-----
From: AA2AE [mailto:dxdx@optonline.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 11:47 PM
To: Greg Greenaae
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks.
Greg
I couldn't agree with you more -- I can see my packets bounce back from the
International Space Station on 2 meters with a Kenwood D7 ( built-in TNC )
and a rubber duck! Yet the chaos is difficult to get through on AO-51 with
100watts and high-gain antennas!
In my opinion, it would be a good idea to have a "weak signal day" for
portables and QRP stations. It wouldn't exclude any stations from using the
satellite, it would only suggest that others make an effort to yield to
portables and HT users under a gentelmen's agreement.
What do you think?
73, Tony - AA2AE
PS: If I'm one of those that stepped on you, I apologize.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Greenaae" <greg@gregnet.net>
To: "'amsat-bb'" <amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org>
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:02 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks.
> I've tried three nights now to get a long distant contact with the HT.
> I can make it in fine when I am not getting stepped on by the western
> area coordinators. If you make a contact on the pass, back away and
> let the little guys call too. The same people are making 6 to 8
> contacts a pass
and
> not letting anyone else give it a try.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:08:00 -0700
From: "Greg Greenaae" <greg@gregnet.net>
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
I agree. Anyone new to working the FM birds should read the tips that Emily
has compiled.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/information/faqs/Intro_sats.pdf
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Wycoff [mailto:GREGWYCOFF@havilandtelco.com]
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:01 PM
To: Greg Greenaae; Emily Clarke
Cc: AMSAT BBS
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
23:30utc 08/13/04 on AO-27 east pass el 45' worked 6 contacts using HT and
my home brew arrow antenna. AO-27 is the best FM satellite ever, even better
than AO-51 just because it is so easy to get into even when it is loaded
with all the regulars (nothing wrong with being a regular). When working the
FM birds it is all about timing, even more so when working it portable.
SO-50 is very easy to work as well. But I do have a harder time working
AO-51 portable just because its harder to get into because of the pl tone
crashes. But it is very easy to copy even with a HT and a arrow antenna. I
have been working more portable operations on the FM satellites here lately
just to help promote the use of low power and to show that it can be done on
a regular bases.
Anyone who is or thinking about working the FM birds portable should read
the great tip by Emily W0EEC which can be found on the AMSAT web site. 73
Greg N0ZHE mid west coordinator
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Emily Clarke" <w0eec@AMSAT.Org>
To: "Greg Greenaae" <greg@gregnet.net>
Cc: "AMSAT BBS" <amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org>
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:26 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
| Greg,
|
| I think this is very a very unfair conclusion. I've had 5 contacts
| with you on AO-51, and I have counted another 5 times where I've
| called you and got no response. I keep track of these events as my log
| has your callsign written in and is crossed off.
|
| Aruni VE4WMK has had 14 HT contacts on AO-51 and 80 total on AO-51,
| AO-27 and SO-50. So far today (13 August UTC) I count 16 contacts
| with users
who
| were using handhelds (that I know of) including 2 with KG6BAE/P who
| made his first voice satellite contacts while trying to dodge someone
| chasing him with a lawn mower.
|
| So I don't think it's a matter of whether or not you are working 5
| watts. Perhaps it's a matter of how you are working the satellite on
| 5
watts.
|
| 73,
|
| Emily
|
|
|
| At 10:02 PM 8/12/2004 -0700, you wrote:
| >I've tried three nights now to get a long distant contact with the
| >HT. I can make it in fine when I am not getting stepped on by the
| >western area coordinators. If you make a contact on the pass, back
| >away and let the little guys call too. The same people are making 6
| >to 8 contacts a pass
and
| >not letting anyone else give it a try.
| >----
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|
|
|
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:04:15 -0700
From: "Greg Greenaae" <greg@gregnet.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FW: QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
I think its really great that you can get to everyone and anyone on the
satellite on every pass that touchs the states.
You are correct with the 5 contacts, and I want to thank you for helping me
start out and the feedback you have given. As for the other 5 times, I am
finding out that my reception is in need of a little work, and apologies for
that. Pretty sure I need crossed yagis to stop the fading. I don't always
hear myself on the bird, so I don't call again if I don't hear myself for
now on. I appreciate the contacts, but the only contacts I have as of today
is those with you and a couple other western contacts, and one I made last
night at midnight with KL7QZ in BP-51. What I have in mind with the bird is
to make one new grid square when I can, and maybe work the fifty states.
The same as what you have already achieved.
If you look at you're logs, you will see that you make at least 6 if not
more contacts per pass. I'm lucky to get one, and 50% of the time, it will
be you. (That isn't meant to sound bad, I'm grateful for the contact.)
You shouldn't be angry about what I have put forth. You are on before I get
reception and still on after I loss reception. You have very much to be
proud of. As you're logs show, you have a great satellite rig setup, and us
newbie's could learn much from you.
All that I am suggesting, is to try just calling out you're call sign once,
and wait for replies. If a contact like say someone in Kentucky calls, by
all means, snag the grid square, and then stand by on the rest of that pass.
There far too many of us that want that square that are getting squashed by
the ones with really good rigs, grabbing the next grid square right after
previous one on the same pass.
Is one contact a pass really that bad? If you made only one contact on a
pass instead of the 6 or 8 that you're setup will allow, how many more of us
a lesser rig could also have one contact a pass, and not the usual zip?
Doesn't this sound fair?
Looking forward in my inbox, I already see that I'm in for a spanking from
the rest of the big guns, so I'm going to leave it at this, and dig through
all the rest of the email. I will reply to all of them, I always take my
medicine. From the positive replies I've read, there are really some very
good ideas and I will try to compile these.
I've already forwarded an email with a sugestion about HT's and QRP's.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Emily Clarke [mailto:w0eec@amsat.org]
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 3:27 PM
To: Greg Greenaae
Cc: AMSAT BBS
Subject: QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
Greg,
I think this is very a very unfair conclusion. I've had 5 contacts with
you on AO-51, and I have counted another 5 times where I've called you and
got no response. I keep track of these events as my log has your callsign
written in and is crossed off.
Aruni VE4WMK has had 14 HT contacts on AO-51 and 80 total on AO-51, AO-27
and SO-50. So far today (13 August UTC) I count 16 contacts with users who
were using handhelds (that I know of) including 2 with KG6BAE/P who made
his first voice satellite contacts while trying to dodge someone chasing
him with a lawn mower.
So I don't think it's a matter of whether or not you are working 5
watts. Perhaps it's a matter of how you are working the satellite on 5
watts.
73,
Emily
At 10:02 PM 8/12/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>I've tried three nights now to get a long distant contact with the HT.
>I can make it in fine when I am not getting stepped on by the western
>area coordinators. If you make a contact on the pass, back away and
>let the little guys call too. The same people are making 6 to 8
>contacts a pass and not letting anyone else give it a try.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:27:46 -0700
From: "Greg Greenaae" <greg@gregnet.net>
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
I'm not trying to be a cop, just trying to help by throwing my 2 cents out
and listening to suggestions. I'm just used to the way the DX bands work,
and can see that a little thought for you're fellow amateur can go such a
long way, that I get a little bit excited at time about Echo.
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From: owner-AMSAT-BB@AMSAT.Org [mailto:owner-AMSAT-BB@AMSAT.Org] On Behalf
Of KC6UQH
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 9:58 PM
To: wa6fwf; AMSAT BBS
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
We have had radio police since the time of Marconi and I see they are alive
and well on Satellite too! There are approximatly 700,000 Radio Amateurs in
the US. Less that half are active, and less than 10 % of those who are
active, work Satellites. With a US population of 250,000,000 how can we
afford to spend time pointing fingers at each other ? In a few months
everyone that tries will have worked AO-51. Lets be patient.
Art KC6UQH
Original Message -----
From: "wa6fwf" <wa6fwf@pacbell.net>
To: "AMSAT BBS" <amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org>
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
> On Friday 13 August 2004 15:26, Emily Clarke wrote:
> > Greg,
> >
> > I think this is very a very unfair conclusion. I've had 5 contacts
> > with you on AO-51, and I have counted another 5 times where I've
> > called you
and
> > got no response. I keep track of these events as my log has your
callsign
> > written in and is crossed off.
> >
> snip!
> >
> > So I don't think it's a matter of whether or not you are working 5
> > watts. Perhaps it's a matter of how you are working the satellite
> > on 5 watts.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Emily
> >
> > At 10:02 PM 8/12/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> > >I've tried three nights now to get a long distant contact with the
> > >HT.
I
> > >can make it in fine when I am not getting stepped on by the western
area
> > >coordinators. If you make a contact on the pass, back away and let
> > >the little guys call too. The same people are making 6 to 8
> > >contacts a
pass
> > > and not letting anyone else give it a try.
> > >----
>
> If I might be allowed to add my 2 cents worth, this is precisely why I
don't
> like a lot of Leo's, they can end up being a breakfast club with
> how's
the
> fishing and hows the wx every day... or the late night club of the
> same people, just chalking up another contact blah blah blah see you
> on the
next
> pass.
>
> It can even be more frustrating when they take up the entire pass
ragchewing
> or going ahhh ahhh gee why am I not getting into the sat well
> tonight??? And then you look and see and they all so close to each
> other that they
could
> talk for hours on the local 2 meter repeaters.
>
> Now I don't want to see a sat go unused either but a Leo is a limited
time
> sat...
>
> A little consideration of other people wanting to get a slice of
> this
pie
> might go a long way...
>
> Now AO40 Please oh Please wake up .....
>
> 73
> Kevin
> WA6FWF
> #19623
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:45:31 -0400
From: AA2AE <dxdx@optonline.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Weak Signal Day?
All
In light of AO-51's popularity, here's a suggestion. Why not have one day a
week set aside for those using portable and QRP satellite equipment? It
wouldn't exclude any stations from using the satellite on that day, it would
only suggest that others make an effort to "yield" to those using QRP and
portables.
It would give those who have limited power and equipment a better chance at
the satellite -- not to mention a regular oportunity to demonstrate theirs
and Echo's ability to work well with weak signals.
Who knows? It may even spill over to a smallest portable / QRP station
ZRO-like test on all birds.
Just a suggestion...
73, Tony AA2AE
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 07:49:25 EDT
From: RogerKola@aol.com
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FW: QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
In a message dated 08/14/04 4:10:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
greg@gregnet.net writes:
> Looking forward in my inbox, I already see that I'm in for a spanking from
> the rest of the big guns,
You won't get a spanking from the big guns, they won't come out and play
here...
Roger
WA1KAT
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 07:43:04 EDT
From: RogerKola@aol.com
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Keps
In a message dated 08/14/04 12:28:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rdwelch@swbell.net writes:
> Always be sure the last line is followed by a carriage return or
> the last satellite will not be processed.
>
> 73, Roy -- W0SL
>
Thanks for this tip, I didn't know that and have leaving out the last c/r all
the time!
Roger
WA1KAT
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:39:43 -0400
From: Steve Meuse <smeuse@mara.org>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
At 06:16 PM 8/13/2004 -0700, wa6fwf wrote:
>Now AO40 Please oh Please wake up .....
So we can talk about "how's the fishing and hows the wx every day" for 12
hours at a time!
Missing AO-40..
- -Steve
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:58:48 EDT
From: N4QWF@aol.com
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] QRP get no breaks. Huh? (was Re:...)
I sure hate to say it....but "I told you so" comes to mind. It has been like
this since the first FM bird and will still be long after AO-51 has burnt up.
Asking for someone to stop using the satellite so someone else can is just not
going to happen. I would think you have a better chance of getting a HF
pileup to stop.
I have got to stop spending all these 2 cent comments. It is getting
expensive.
N4QWF LYNCHBURG.VA.USA.NA Z:24503
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DXCC #33,478 (HF) WAS #296 (Satellite) VUCC #135 (Satellite)
LON. -79.13 LAT. +37.47 GRID FM07KL
FROM THE FOOT HILLS OF THE BLUERIDGE
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:01:06 EDT
From: N4QWF@aol.com
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] WiSP and XP pro
I am running Wisp32 on my laptop with Windows ME operating system. Its
working fine with the Uni_Trac and that programs DDE interface. 73's << John
N4QWF LYNCHBURG.VA.USA.NA Z:24503
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Amsat #27845 ARRL #1395584
DXCC #33,478 (HF) WAS #296 (Satellite) VUCC #135 (Satellite)
LON. -79.13 LAT. +37.47 GRID FM07KL
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:06:19 -0400
From: "Michael Rudzki" <n8mr@hotmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] EN57, EN-67 and others on the air next weekend
In light of the recent QRP discussions here on the 'BB, I'd like to announce
that we will be making our annual trip to the upper peninsula of Michigan
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