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Re: AO-51 Naysayers


It isn't Naysaying.  It is a common reaction to the same 'garbage crew' as
on every other FM bird.  Do you want a LIST of their callsigns?  I'd be
happy to give it you off-line if you don't recognize these folks yourself.
These are the same guys, pass after pass, slamming their callsigns into
every FM bird.  The thrill of hearing their own voice come back to them
full-duplex is just too great an ego surge to let someone else get in on the
action.  Thank God they spent all that money on the M2's, the G5500, and the
preamps.  Otherwise they'd miss hearing the thrill of themselves calling our
their callsign and grid over and over again.

I got out of the satellite game some time ago because of my frustration over
it.  K5OE was very good in helping me bring perspective to the issue - but
it remains - it does not "calm down" as you suggest.  It is just plain
selfish.  Make a contact and let it go!  Give the next guy a chance!  It
seems like the lessons from Kindergarten continue to remain lost on our

So scolding these people who, like me, have contributed to the launch of
this bird, is just plain wrong.  They want a chance to make a contact and
shutting them up is just ignorant - they have a voice too.  If you don't
want to read through someone's frustration regarding the situation just hit
delete - as I do to most of the posts on this reflector.

David, NA2AA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hasan schiers" <schiers@netins.net>
To: <amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 8:21 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 Naysayers

> TO:
> The Nattering Nabobs of Negativism
> Take a deep breath. Did anyone expect anything different than the kind of
> congestion that would be quite predictable for a single channel fm system
> and a country wide (plus) footprint? Why the shock, surprise and pretense
> disappointment? We KNEW there would be this kind of uplink contention. It
> was a certainty. Over time, it will calm down and become much more
> accessible....we know that too. Patience, people, patience.
> Borderline outrage and agenda driven spite (I didn't get the kind of bird
> launched and put into service that I wanted first....fm single channel
> sucks...why don't we have another mode B....what about phase 4,....let's
> to the moon....mars is my bag....etc. etc. etc., ad nauseum), is
> disingenuous at best. All these discussions took place before the launch,
> and revisiting them now, when we should be celebrating the efforts and
> success of all those associated with AO-51, serves no real purpose. (other
> than to reinforce conclusions that we arrived at MONTHS ago, and to
> our penchant for finger-wagging "I told you so's").
> If you don't comprehend or cannot tolerate the limitations of a single
> channel FM bird, then please (especially in the early stages when many
> people are exulting in this fine accomplishment), have the good manners to
> suffer in silence, or better yet, since AO-51 is so far beneath your
> expectations, don't transmit on it...you're only part of the problem.
> I MUCH prefer linear transponders. I MUCH prefer HEO birds. I MUCH prefer
> Mode B over anything else I have ever used (including being very active on
> AO-40). By and large, mode J is is a pain in the butt and ALWAYS HAS BEEN.
> (I won't go into the reasons now, following my own advice from above,
> now is NOT the time to be whining and snivelling.) Single channel FM birds
> in the face of severe uplink contention are a nightmare to the
> but again, now is NOT the time.
> On some very positive notes:
> 1. I'm excited to see such an accomplishment, especially coming so soon
> after the untimely and miserable failure of AO-40. (not blaming, just
> lamenting and holding out hope).
> 2. Copying telemetry, setting up the station, playing with antennas, fine
> tuning software and so on, for the last several weeks has been a blast!
> 3. Hearing the unexpected voice tests nearly knocked me out of my chair.
> 4. Having the bird come open for voice with one day's notice was a very
> pleasant surprise.
> 5. Seeing the "knock your socks off" signal level on the voice downlink is
> very rewarding, especially hearing it so well with a hand-held.
> 6. Listening last night to the voice channel for the first time, hearing
> MANY <vbg> signals, calls I'm familiar with and many I'm not, had me
> from ear to ear.
> 7. Copying a strong signal (that never did fade into the noise) from start
> to finish of a a pass (sans vegetation attentuation) was
> again. OK, so I'm not jaded. Amateur satellite operation still amazes me,
> and I've been active since the earlierst days of AO-6 and AO-7.
> 8. Listening to AO51 can be fun. Remember LISTENING? It's how most of us
> started in ham radio.
> In summary:
> It's up, It does EXACTLY what we expected it to, and has a better downlink
> signal than what one might have expected.  It's not (fill in the blanks),
> but it IS up and it DOES work as intended.
> My hearty congrats to everyone who worked so hard to get AO-51 up and
> working. My gratitude extends to those who are doing an increasingly
> job trying to keep the user base informed regarding progress. A BIG round
> applause to Emily for the striking improvements to the AMSAT web site,
> updates to AO-51 information readily accessible.
> The glass really is over half-full, folks. Be happy for it. Help is on the
> way....(I couldn't resist)...VUsat and more.
> ...hasan, N0AN
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