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Re: Re: One working LEO?



Fact`s?
About 100 unused ssb channels against a few ,always overcrowded only half
functioning and or dieing FM channels.

Seldom a new callsign on SSB and  a hundred `new ` one`s
in my UO-14 log , with ten procent of those still active.

Yes i love FM ,  have a big rig , and still cry about 14....

Chris PA5RWE


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Diane Bruce" <db@db.net>
To: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@usna.edu>
Cc: <amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: One working LEO?


> On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 11:52:37AM -0500, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> > >> There were 17 LEO's.  You could "work" 11 of them
> > >> mobile with an FM rig....
> >
> > >Thats making the unfounded assumption that the majority of AMSAT
> > > members want to work FM mobile on a satellite.
> >
> > No it isnt an assumption about the 4000 AMSAT
> > members at all.  Its an observation that maybe 300,000
> > HAMs in the USA have mobile FM rigs in their cars that
>
>   No, thats a Logical Fallacy. Where are the facts that would substantiate
> your assumption that these users would become permament amsat members?
>
> > So there are advantages to FM and their are
> > advantages to SSB linear birds.   AMSAT needs a
> > mix, and is on the right track.
>
>   Not necessarily. Perhaps AMSAT is on the right track, perhaps it is not.
> Without logically assessing what AMSAT membership wants, verifying
> your assumption that a good fraction of these 300,000 HAMS you talk about
> would indeed become hooked on sats and then futhermore become amsat
> members. We cannot know whether or not AMSAT is on the right track.
> You are relying on emotion not good cold hard logic and facts.
>
>   Now, from a private response to Bob. I said this.
>
>   The illogical conclusion here is, that the satellites we build
> must also have FM. FM is fine for a local voice coverage of an area.
> So why not take advantage of the strengths of both? Why not make the
> birds easy to line up on, stay in one place relatively
> long so an FM to satellite gateway is easy to do? The engineering
> illogic confounds me. Maybe this just isn't as exciting as working
> a LEO using a handheld and arrow for 3 minutes. I would personally find it
> "cooler" if we could chat and get to know someone from an FM repeater via
> a satellite for at least half an hour to an hour.
>
> > I dont know what you want?  Drop all work on ECHO
> > and begin a 5 year, $10,000,000 campaign tomorrow
>
>   I never said that You did..
>
> > for the next HEO?  By the way, we wouldnt save
> > much at all.  A launch is contracted for years in
> > advance and if you dont show up, you still pay...
> > It would be stupid to stop working on ECHO...
>
>   Calling the membership of AMSAT stupid is hardly a way of winning
friends.
> Mistakes have been made, Robin has admitted it in his presidents report.
> (Kudos to him btw.)  Logically speaking, we have an assembled bird, we
have
> paid for it as a membership, we have a launch pre-paid for. Yes, given
> the facts I think we can conclude this is the sane thing to do.
> Give us the facts please. Not the rhetoric.
>
> > stop the useless carping about ECHO.  Its not one
> > or the other.  SPACE is big.  There's room for both..
>
>   Robin has more or less admitted the way ECHO was done was a mistake.
> Perhaps it is time to carefully re-evaulate all of our assumptions.
>
> - Diane Bruce, VA3DB #35184
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