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Re: Phasing CP (was:Re: A question about 75 Ohm connectors)

Yes, you've described it so I understand it.  However, I think I can
adjust the gamma match of the Arrow driven elements to produce 100
ohms at each feedpoint (I've not done this yet).  Then all I need is
one piece of 100 ohm coax (actually 93 ohm RG-62 is close enough) 1/4
wave long for the phasing line.  The 100 ohm phasing line will join
the 50 ohm feedline at a tee at the second gamma match.

Since I don't have an easy way of determining 100 ohm impedance at
70cm, I think I can come close by connecting a 100 ohm resistor across
each feedpoint, and adjusting for 1:1 SWR, since I do have a 50 ohm
SWR meter good at 70cm.

So, have I missed something?

73, doug

   Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:05:06 -0600
   From: Jon Ogden <na9d-2@speakeasy.net>

   on 2/12/03 5:26 PM, Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 at faunt@panix.com

   > I think I was unclear: One element would immediately at the feedline
   > tee, the other element would be 1/4 wavelength of coax away from that
   > point.


   I looked up some info in the Satellite Expermenter's handbook on feeding CP
   yagi arrays.  There are basically two choices.  In one choice the antenna
   elements are physically located next to each other at roughly a common feed
   point.  In the second, the feed points are physically separated by a 1/4

   I'll deal with the first case since that's what you have.

   OK, each antenna's impedance is 50 Ohms.  You'll need to join these two
   impedances at a tee and then feed that into a common 50 Ohm transmission
   line.  Therefore, the impedance of each branch of coax feeding each antenna
   needs to look like 100 Ohms so that when combined it makes 50.  You probably
   understand that already (I'm explaining in detail for those who don't.).

   We can create an impedance transformation from 100 Ohms to 50 Ohms by using
   a 1/4 wave transformer of 75 Ohm coax.  So working out from the tee, we have
   100 Ohms.  We then run through a 1/4 wavelength of 75 Ohm coax on each
   branch and we are now transformed on each branch down to 50 Ohms.

   But we have one more problem.  We now need to feed the arrays 90 degrees out
   of phase.  We do this by adding an additional 1/4 wavelength of 50 Ohm coax
   to one of the branches before feeding the antenna.

   This will give us the necessary impedance and the 90 degree phase shift.

   Now you may need to add extra coax in order to be able to physically and
   practically reach the feed points.  You do that by adding equal lengths of
   50 Ohm coax to each branch.  But remember from transmission line theory that
   if you have a 1/2 wavelength piece of coax, it does not matter what it's
   impedance is as long as the impedances on each end are the same.  This way,
   the side of the branch that is fed only with the 1/4 wavelength of 75 Ohm
   coax can be lengthened by adding an additional 1/2 wavelength of 75 Ohm
   coax.  The side of the branch that has both the 1/4 wavelength of 75 Ohm and
   the 1/4 wavelength of 50 Ohm can be lengthened by adding an additional 1/2
   wavelength of 50 Ohm coax.  By using the same characteristic impedance for
   the extension that is at the end of each branch it makes assembly easier.

   Remember though that you need to make sure that it is a 1/2 wavelength
   ELECTRICALLY not via physical measurement.  Be sure to take into account the
   velocity of propagation of the coax when creating the 1/x wavelength
   sections in each case.

   Does this make sense?  I hope I worded it well enough!



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