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Re: Communication thru P5-A

First let me thank everyone who replied without a knee jerk reaction and 
looked at deep space comms as possible and bothered to work some numbers.  
I'm sorry Scott I ruffled your feathers. I didn't mean to suggest you might 
need more education.  I realise that is a crime in some states.  

Yes, Robert I do know the distance and location of Mars at this very moment 
without looking it up.  Do you?  As others have pointed out the Moon is round 
and kind of a very poor reflector (read here: very very very rough).  P5-A 
will be far more cooperative than our Moon is in the communications process.  
As you seem to now know after looking up 
http://www.amsat-dl.org/p5a/p5a-weaksignal.pdf as your later post suggests.

Scott and you have suggested than "normal" HAMs wont be doing P5-A and as 
I've previously pointed out most HAMs don't do Satellite either.  You are a 
subset of a subset already and this will a subset of you!  Big deal! 

So did we determine if Gary Snyder was right or wrong?  Also anyone here a 
member of the DSES?

--Chris Vancil (KD7LRV)

In a message dated 8/26/02 9:12:06 PM EST, owner-AMSAT-BB-digest@AMSAT.Org 

> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:31:58 -0500
>  From: "Robert Oler" <cvn65vf94@msn.com>
>  Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Communication thru P5-A
>  Chris.
>  Do you have any idea of the difference in distance between the earth and 
>  Moon and the Earth and Mars?
>  Figure that out then work some path loss numbers and if you continue to 
>  think that a amateur satellite in orbit around Mars is going to be picked 
>  at any reasonable data rates on anything approaching the type of dish 
>  antenna that an average ham can put up then you can sail on with your 
>  of knowledge.
>  Robert WB5MZO
>  >From: CLVANCIL@aol.com
>  >To: amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org
>  >Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Communication thru P5-A
>  >Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:05:04 EDT
>  >
>  >Hi Scott,
>  >
>  >Before you start sounding as stupid as Oler try looking up EME and weak
>  >signal communications.  You don't need a 80 foot in diameter dish or 
>  >massive
>  >arrays, lots of power, and tons of money to do EME.  You wont hear comms 
>  >but,
>  >you can send with an order of magnitude smaller dish with reasonable 
>  >at
>  >reasonable costs.
>  >
>  >Lots of HAM the world over do EME and this would increase interest in 
>  >Earth Mars Earth.  A good place to learn more about EME is here:
>  >http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/
>  >
>  >73s,
>  >--Chris Vancil
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