Re: [amsat-bb] go ahead for P3-E and P5-A

[CLVANCIL@xxxxxxx]

Hi All,

Every help build an OSCAR satellite, Robert?  Hams can be proud of the 
work done on these OSCAR spacecraft.  Things AMSAT members thought up have 
influenced more expensive Commercial Communications Satellites.   

AMSAT accepts a much higher failure rate than Boeing, etc. because AMSAT uses 
spare parts, donated secondhand equipment and off the shelf modified 
hardware.  AO 40 if done as a Commercial Satellite would have cost an order 
of magnitude more and wouldn't just have taxed our pockets, but bankrupted 
us.

There is a reason the AMSAT-DL has budgeted this Phase 5 Mars Bird at almost 
an order of magnitude more than AO-40 and have found some funding inside the 
German Government. These extra costs aren't in the distance the craft 
travels, but in the testing and super high quality control need in order to 
maintain a near zero failure rate.  If they should fail it would have been a 
good stretching of skills and minds and AMSAT would be better for it, besdes 
we would be in good company. NASA, Russian and Japan so far have been the onl
y "groups" to send spacecraft towards Mars and all have had failures. When 
ESA sends there missions to Mars expect some problems and some failure with 
work arounds and hopefully some very exciting images and science! 

Robert, all you show is you have no imagination and a clear lack of 
comprehension of the amazing history of AMSAT and orbital dynamics with this 
solar orbit BS.

--Chris Vancil


In a message dated 7/29/02 12:07:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
owner-AMSAT-BB-digest@AMSAT.Org writes:


> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:37:09 -0500
> From: "Robert Oler" <cvn65vf94@msn.com
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] go ahead for P3-E and P5-A
> 
> Hello Dennis.
> 
> you are of course missing the point of the discussion
> 
> <<What the naysayers do not realize in stark
> technical terms is that ALL of the phase III birds have had a significant 
> delta
> V capability. >> 
> 
> the problem is not that the "newtons" are not there to do the job...the 
> problem is that (to be kind) the execution of propulsion on the Phase 3 
> birds has been...an incomplete success.
> 
> In particular AO-40 is well we are lucky the darn thing isnt in little 
> pieces or some flotsam in solar orbit.
> 
> Not a single bit of the propulsion system worked as advertised.  In other 
> words the folks who played rocket scientist are well "amateurs".
> 
> Off to fly the big airplane.
> 
> Robert Oler WB5MZO
> 
> 
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