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Re: Re: [aprssig] APRS Field Day operation 2002

Your suggestion of multiple call in the QSL line is very efficient and good operating practice.  Your last line says it all:  there is no limit in anobody's (AMSAT or ARRL) rules about how many calls (or packets) you can make or how many QSO's you can make.  The AMSAT restriction is for how many QSO's you can COUNT for points.  Since both ISS and PCsat are really just FM repeaters, the opportunity for frustration is just as high as on AO-27 or UO-14.  Thus, the rules were changed this year to allow people to use their digital systems, but hopefully not to hog the satellite or contribute to the "white noise" that appears when too many people are all trying to uplink at the same time.  Let's hope nobody connects to ISS on FD, as that could be quite unpopular!
Jerry, K5OE/G

In a message dated Thu, 13 Jun 2002  7:50:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob Bruninga <bruninga@usna.edu> writes:

>On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Tim Cunningham wrote:
>> AMSAT Field Day rules are restrictive in the area of APRS for PCsat/ISS:
>> http://www.amsat.org/amsat/activities/amsatfd.html
>> "Satellite digipeat QSO's and APRS short-message contacts are worth three
>> points each, but must be complete verified two-way exchanges. Remember,
>> only one digipeat contact is allowed for the ISS and one for PCSat."
>Wow, I had forgotten that.   I guess then since it is impossible to have
>a contact and send LESS than one packet, that ONE QSL packet is the
>limit.  But since in the APRS AUTO-QSL mode, ONE packet can have up to 8
>QSL callsigns in it, then I see no problem with everyone limiting
>themselves to ONLY ONE QSL packet, but they can list as many as 8 calls
>in their packet if they wish to improve their probabilities of a 2-way.
>They can only count ONE QSO, and it only counts if they have both QSL'ed
>another call and the other call has QSL'ed them.  But this rule does not
>prohibit the number of calls you put in your "SINGLE" authorized packet...
>or at least that seems to be in the spirit of the objectives of Field Day.
>This way, potentialy 64 stations could have valid two-ways on a single
>pass with a  theorietically minimum of only 64 packets on the air.  But
>doing it the  conventional CONNECTED way, would take 19,845 successful
>packets! Impossible.
>Here is how the AMSAT rules define a verified 2-way exchange as taking 3
> 1. W6NWG de KK5DO 2A STX
> 2. KK5DO de W6NWG QSL 5A SDG
> 3. W6NWG de KK5DO QSL
>But since PCsat and ISS are UI digipeats that do not fit the "CONNECTED"
>packet protocol model, here is how I interpret that relative to how we
>have been doing space digipeter and FD APRS contacts in the past:
> 1. Is yours and other's APRS position reports with ARRL exchange in it
> 2. Is your BLN1CQFD bulletin containing the stations you are QSLing
> 3. Is HIS BLN1CQFD bulletin with YOUR callsign in it..
>These are concise, efficient, verified and verifiable 2-way contacts.
>(But you can only count one completed 2-way per bird).
>de WB4APR, BOb
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