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Re: Shit Happens and I need your help

Excellent Bob 
Very well said for all of us that have been putting up with the delete
key sysdrome.

Joe  K0VTY
On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 17:07:18 +0900 "Bob McElligott" <bmcellig@kornet.net>
> Larry:
> RE: Your subject line "Shit Happens and I need your help"
> During my nearly 30 years plus of military service, I've heard this
> expression used time and time again, but there has always been a 
> reason or
> circumstances that prompted someone to say it.  There also is a time 
> and a
> place to say it, but I feel that this is not the time, nor the place 
> to
> vulgarly express your feelings. I feel that your subject line is 
> totally
> unprecedented and uncalled for, and your choice of words are not 
> appropriate
> for the International community that reads this forum.
> Also, I feel that your remark that Peter Guelzow "walked out on the 
> high
> dive platform and did a belly flop into a concrete pool without 
> water in
> it.", as you clearly put it, is absolutely wrong.  I feel that Peter 
> is just
> as frustrated as you and many others are, and is simply stating the 
> facts as
> he knows them.  Finger pointing at this time is totally uncalled 
> for.  The
> AMSAT community knows what happened, and knows what procedures must 
> be put
> in place to prevent this from happening again.  Let's get off this 
> stupid
> witch hunt and move on.
> As for your "AMSAT has a SECRET" series.  A lot of organizations 
> have
> secrets, so who really cares about the gossip within AMSAT as long 
> as it is
> not hurting you, or your family, or, unless they are performing a 
> grave
> injustice to the AMSAT community by committing fraud, waste or abuse 
> of
> funds, positions or authority.   Let me ask you this:  Were you a 5 
> or 6
> digit contributor that is worried about the internal management and 
> that you
> will not re-coup any benefits from your investment?  Or, are you the 
> type of
> individual who thrives on gossip and enjoys writing Expos on 
> organization
> and their failures?  If you want to do witch hunts on AMSAT and 
> other
> private organization, why don't you spare us the misery and send them 
> to the
> National Enquirer or Globe magazine instead.  BUT, if you want to 
> use your
> literary skills wisely, then write some really great articles about
> satellites!
> From the jest of your message, it sounds like many other readers are 
> doing
> what I did when I see the Subject line: Part 2 "AMSAT has another 
> Just simply hit the delete key and moved on.  As for your next 
> series of
> "AMSAT has a SECRET", which will discuss "How to get a job with 
> will simply do the same, delete it and move on.  I personally know 
> many of
> the AMSAT volunteers and praise them ALL for a job well done.  I 
> also
> personally support all of the BOD of ALL the AMSATs worldwide, and 
> in
> particular, all of those many people who were involved in the 
> design,
> building, launching and Command and Control of AO-40.  I don't care 
> who left
> the cap or plug on the valve.  Let's stop whining and crying over 
> "spilt
> milk" and move on to figure out how to use what we have (AO-40), and 
> make
> plans for the next generation of satellites.
> 73,
> Bob McElligott
> Osan Airbase/Songtan, Korea
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-AMSAT-BB@AMSAT.Org [mailto:owner-AMSAT-BB@AMSAT.Org]On
> Behalf Of Larry Kayser
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 10:42 AM
> To: amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Shit Happens and I need your help
> Greetings All:
> The discussion about the problems with the AO-40 propulsion system 
> were not
> helped when Peter Guelzow opinioned that there was an individual 
> fault that
> caused the AO-40 propulsion problem.  It is a shame that Peter 
> walked out on
> the high dive platform and did a belly flop into a concrete pool 
> without
> water in it.  I am sure he regrets that message very much.
> The simple fact is that SHIT HAPPENS!  There is no individual at 
> fault,
> there might be a fault with the Process that failed to catch the 
> potential
> fault, there might be a fault with the project just being so complex 
> that
> the processes used were not adequate - regardless we can all take 
> comfort
> that everyone bust there butts to make AO-40 a good satellite.  We 
> need to
> examine NOT the PEOPLE, we need to examine the overall structure 
> and
> organization that created AO-40.  This is were there is room for
> improvement.
> I am writing a series of "AMSAT has a SECRET" letters, the first 
> one
> prompted excellent discussion.  The second one released two and a 
> bit days
> ago has received virtually no responses at all.  The discussion 
> requested in
> that memo has not occurred - the big question is why has it not 
> occurred.
> Did almost everyone decide not to participate?  What went wrong?
> The AMSAT Presidents latest presidents letter announces that I am 
> going to
> digest and try and organize the discussion material from the "AMSAT 
> has a
> SECRET" series of memos.  This is your chance to make a serious 
> contribution
> to AMSAT, get into it and lets see if we can get a sense of what and 
> where
> you the members and users want this organization to go.
> I need your help.  Anyone who missed Part 2 "AMSAT has another 
> SECRET" can
> ask me for a copy if you can not find it in the AMSAT-BB archive.
> Larry
> PS, the next AMSAT has a SECRET letter discusses how to get a job 
> in
> AMSAT.....coming soon
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