# Re: System NF Calculations

• Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] System NF Calculations
• From: Joe Leikhim <jleikhim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
• Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:57:18 -0400

```That still seems high. The -126 dBm is at 10 dB S/N. If you calculate a system
noise figure and have a preamp with 18 dB gain (SP13-O) and some typical line

hasan schiers wrote:

> -126 dBm corresponds to a NF of about 14 dB. I'm told that the FT-847 has
> been carefully measured at 14 dB with the preamp off. With it on, it
> measures 8 dB. If you are driving your radio with a mast mounted high gain
> downconverter like the UEK, or even a moderate gain surplus downconverter,
> you have to turn the preamp off...so use the 14 or 15 dB NF for the
>
> The good news:  ...it doesn't matter. The sensitivity of your system is set
> by the NF of the 1st RF amp and that's way out at the antenna. Changing the
> NF of your radio from 15 to 5 produces virtually NO IMPROVEMENT in overall
> system NF, if you have a low noise figure, high gain 1 RF stage out at the
> antenna.
>
> 73, (the above comment ignores the antenna in making sensitivity
>
> hasan
>
> hasan schiers, NØAN
> schiers@netins.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Leikhim" <jleikhim@nettally.com>
> To: <amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org>
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 10:35 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] System NF Calculations
>
> > What is a typical noise figure for a multi-mode radio?
> > The 15dB in the spreadsheet example sounds like pretty sorry
> > performance.
> > The ICOM radios are spec'd at about  0.11uv (-126 dBm) for 10dB S/N in
> > CW/SSB modes. How does that equate to NF and  MDS?
> >
> > --
> > Joe Leikhim K4SAT
> > Jleikhim@nettally.com
> >
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Joe Leikhim K4SAT
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