Re: [amsat-bb] Re: 3/4 Wave Vertical Omni

["David M. Tipton, PhD" <tiptond@xxxxxxx>]

Hmmm... As I have been building Egg Beaters as of late, I decided to run 
the calcs through, and came up with the following...

Loop size... Around 7 and 3/4 Inches...

Phasing Loop...  1 3/4 Inches...   This might prove difficult... :grin:

At 02:22 PM 7/18/00 -0400, Bob Bruninga wrote:
>Sorry.  One-more-post on this subject.   Now I have combined both the 3/4
>and 1/4 wave plots onto the same graph, so that the difference is easier
>to see.  Now does anyone want to build a model turnstyle, lindenblad or
>eggbeater scaled from 435 to 1575 to run for comparison?
>
>On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Bob Bruninga wrote:
>
> > Last week I posted the results of a 435 MHz 3/4 wave vertical whip
> > satellite antenna (2m 20" whip) on a scale model car roof.  Last night I
> > re-ran the test using a standard 1/4 wave vertical so I could get a
> > benchmark for comparison.
> >
> > The 1/4 wave did have a better pattern at low angles down to about 10
> > deg, but the 3/4 outperformed it everywhere above 27 deg by 3 to 4 dB or
> > more.  Since the satellite is closer there too, that is why this
> > antenna does well for mobile satellite reception.  AND it is dual band
> > for the 2m uplink as well.  See the updated plot (side-by-side) on the WEB
> > page below.
> >
> > On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Bob Bruninga wrote:
> >
> > > For the mobile Satellite operator looking for an Omni, I finally did a
> > > real-world antenna plot of a 3/4 wave 435 Mhz WHip over a car roof
> > > to see how well it matches the EZNEC predictions.  The results 
> confirm the
> > > almost 8 dBi gain from about 30 to 80 degrees elevation:
> > >
> > > See near bottom of:   http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/astars.html
> > >
> > > I did this by building a 1575 MHz scale model of both the antenna and a
> > > miniature car roof and connecting them to a GPS receiver.  Then ran the
> > > GPS all  night with my SIGPLOT.BAS program that then plots the GPS signal
> > > strength of all satellites for many hours from ALL azimuths and ALL
> > > elevation angles.  THus you get a calibrated signal source over all the
> > > sky and get a REAL plot of the actual antenna pattern.
> > >
> > > Tonight I will change the model to do a simple 1/4 wave vertical to see
> > > how well it fills in the low angle stuff below 30 degrees.  BUT I 
> doubt it
> > > will do any good for mobile satellite work, because:
> > >
> > >   1) The 1/4 will only have about 5 dBi (3 dB worse than the 3/4)
> > >   2) The satellites will be further away for another 3 to 6 dB loss
> > >
> > > Combined, the loss is 6 to 9 dB compared to the 3/4 wave and there is 
> just
> > > not enough signal from the PACSATS to be heard by any omni reliably at
> > > that level.
> > >
> > > Probably the only way to fill in the low angle is to go to a high
> > > gain vertical (to get 9 dBi below 30 deg) and switch between the two.
> > > during each pass.  But given the complexity, I just stick with the 3/4
> > > wave (20" vertical) since it is inherrently dual band being an excellent
> > > 1/4 wave 2 meter antenna as well for the uplink.  THus, your 2meter 20"
> > > whip in the center of your car roof will serve very well as a mobile
> > > satellite antenna whenever the satellite is above 30 degrees, and most
> > > mobiles cant see much below 30 degrees anyway due to trees.. (back east
> > > anyway...)...
> > >
> > > For APRS messaging, though, this is all you need, since the APRS 
> SAT/Igate
> > > will only send your traffic to your mobile when you are within that cone
> > > of coverage, (APRS always knows where everyone is) and conversly, your 2m
> > > mobile uplink has a 18 dB advantage so your outgoing traffic can get into
> > > the satellite at ANY elevation angle...
> > >
> > > To see the entire discussion of mobile satellite operation including the
> > > discussion of these antenna plots see:
> > >
> > >   http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/astars.html
> > >
> > > Come join us on SUNSAT and any other satellite that may have UI
> > > digipeating enabled...
> > >
> > > de WB4APR, Bob
> > >
> > >
> > >
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