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Re: I have an idea. Please read

Or imagine a more mundane design but with remote controlled aircraft
flying up with more fuel... In flight refuleing... Old tech (the way the
navy does it)... but it works and would be fun for the pilots..  THis way
the COMM Drone could be much more conventional in design...

de WB4APR, Bob

On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Keith Randino wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> This is my response to everyone as best as I can for now. Check out the web
> page listed below. This aircraft flew in 1998. It is expected to fly at
> 100,000 feet with a 600 pound payload for 6 months at a time. This definetly
> can be done. As with any engineering project, knowing that it has already
> been done always makes things easier. Now we need to see if we have an
> interest in doing it. The technology is available off the shelf albeit new
> and expensive. We would need to find ways to cut corners and make it
> cheaper. The advantages of this over a balloon launch is that it could stay
> over the same area for months at a time It could also be landed and
> relaunched and set up for a different mission, to another place, or just to
> make repairs and do routine maintainance. I also believe that you could link
> them and create a huge area coverage repeater system. I don't need to go
> into all the things that this could do or be used for. I think that there is
> enough imagination on this board for that. What we need to do is figure out
> if we have the will to do it as we did with P3D.
> http://www.aerovironment.com/news/news-archive/helios1.html
> By the way, I haven't discounted the possiblity of a dirigable type device
> with solar powered motors performing the same job. With appropriate devices
> for allowing it to stay at a certain altitude (again above 60000 feet) over
> the same basic location. Much cheaper and maybe a better way to start. It
> may be more difficult to keep this on station though.
> Respectfully,
> Keith
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Belstner <john.belstner@home.com>
> To: Keith Randino <krandino@snet.net>
> Date: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] I have an idea. Please read
> >Greetings,
> >
> >What you're proposing is not too much different from some of the balloon
> >projects; just adding the element of controlled flight.  Unfortunately, I
> >believe the power required to generate the lift necessary to keep a winged
> craft
> >in flight at 60000 ft is more than what could be obtained from solar
> charged
> >batteries.  Some examples of craft that can fly at those altitudes are the
> U2
> >and the SR71.  Both planes must travel at extremely high speeds to get
> enough
> >air flow across their wings to maintain controlled flight.
> >
> >One of the advantages of leaving the atmosphere (LEO) is that there is very
> >little drag, so only small periodic expenditures of energy are required to
> keep
> >the craft flying.
> >
> >Keep that mind ticking Keith.  You may find solutions to these issues.
> >
> >73s
> >
> >John Belstner - W9EN
> >mailto:w9en@amsat.org
> >
> >Keith Randino wrote:
> >
> >> I have been thinking now for several months about a plan that I have.
> >> I am posting it on this board because I believe that much of the
> expertise
> >> needed for a project like this resides on this board. This is not
> completely
> >> flushed out but I believe that it is certainly something that could be
> done
> >> and
> >> is technically possible and probably should be  done. Here goes. I have
> been
> >> considering the possiblilty that this group or a derivative should try to
> >> launch a solar
> >> power aircraft with battery backup that would spend its time slowly
> circling
> >> around an
> >> area above 60000 feet with FM repeater equipment on board. I believe the
> >> expense
> >> of such a project would be several orders of magnitude cheaper than a
> >> satelite system
> >> and launch. It could be brought back down for repairs or different
> missions
> >> setups and be
> >> relaunched just like any remotely piloted vehicle. It would have a huge
> >> ground
> >> footprint and several of them could be linked to cover vast distances and
> >> huge areas. I
> >> believe that the FAA doesn't care much about what happens above 60000
> feet
> >> and that would
> >> allow us to do just about whatever we wanted to above that altitude. I
> have
> >> not
> >> researched this entirely nor have I checked what the FCC regulations are
> >> that are involved.
> >> I believe that whatever they are they would be surmountable. I am not
> >> glossing over the
> >> technical challenges either. The air is quite thin at these altitudes and
> >> the technical challenges
> >> would be considerable but the rewards would also be significant. Please
> let
> >> me know what
> >> you think about this. I welcome any replies. I know that a lot of work
> would
> >> be needed but I
> >> really think that a system like this would have substantial rewards.
> >> Everything from emergency
> >> communications to APRS and digital not to mention GPS, SSTV, real time
> >> video,
> >> automatic navigation and more could be involved. While this is not
> entirely
> >> flushed out I do know
> >> more than I am writting about now. I just want to see what the comments
> are
> >> and if this
> >> has any interest to anyone.
> >>
> >> Thanks for reading this,
> >> 73,
> >> Keith
> >> N1XTK
> >>
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