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RE: Going Digital... Ham Radio?

Well put Art.  I agree with your synopsis on equipment that is not used.

I work in a mission critical data center, in which we have backups of our
backups.  In all cases, there are more than 2 backups to every system.  Is
it costly?  Absolutely, but we also know that with that cost, comes the
security of knowing we will never go down.

One of the principal focuses of this project (Which I will never claim full
ownership of, because that would just be outright arrogant) imho is that we
create an entirely wireless network, in which the internet has nothing to do
with it.  That is why I described it as a private IP network.  At no point
did I ever insinuate that there wouldn't be Internet gateways, however, my
principal concern is that of keeping everything free of current
infrastructure, that would go away in the event of any natural or man made

The internet is only international, because a great number of countries have
allowed it to be so.  At the first sign of disaster, I wouldn't be surprised
if all the sudden, countries started falling off.  This is also true for
anything that we as Ham Radio operators would be faced with, however, the
reality is, we don't work for a government agency, and we more often than
not, take the high road when it comes to emergency traffic, regardless of
what Big Brother wants.

It has always been easier to apologize than to get permission....

With that in mind, remember that the idea here was to create our own Wide
Area Network, that would be a viable tool for communications in time of
emergency, which is what all Ham Radio operations prepare us for.  When you
get past the fact that most of us treat our radios like an over glorified
CB, that's what it's purpose truely is.

So we chew a little sat time...  The reality is, most of the traffic would
be handled by terrestrial networks.  What I'm seeing, is that the reason
this hasn't happened so far, is that too many people want throw a wrench in
the spokes instead of coming up with creative ways to share our precious
resources.  It seems that if we were to utilize our current Pacsat birds,
and maybe a little help from P3D, and maybe just a little help from
something placed on ISS...  We wouldn't take too much from any one pot, and
then it would satisfy everybody.

Stepping off of soapbox....

Dave, N8KXA

-----Original Message-----
From:	owner-AMSAT-BB@AMSAT.Org [mailto:owner-AMSAT-BB@AMSAT.Org] On Behalf
Of Arthur H Feller
Sent:	Friday, June 09, 2000 12:22 PM
To:	Bob Bruninga; Tony Langdon
Cc:	'David M. Tipton, PhD'; 'sam@tenet.edu'; amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org
Subject:	RE: [amsat-bb] Going Digital... Ham Radio?

Hi, Bob!!

At 11:35 AM 09-06-00 -0400, Bob Bruninga wrote:
>In my opinion, We dont want to waste precious P3D bandwidth with
>"pipes".  We have free worldwide Internet Pipes everywhere.  We need to
>use P3D for live QSO's and unique applications that cannot be done via the
>Yes, PIPES to serve a critical emergency, but only when needed... etc.

Agree completely on the operation of internet pipes.  Incidently, there's
an interesting application for operating voice radios by remote control
described at http://www.irlp.net.  We're using IRLP here on the NERA linked
system with fairly good results.  (Australia, we'd love to hear you here in

And, yes, IRLP may be more amateur telephone than amateur radio.  But, it
is one more technique that's handy and we learned from making the interface

But, emergencies are a different matter.  Experience is that, if a system
is not in common use, it won't be available when you need it most.  Two

First, most operators will be too low on the learning curve to be of much
help.  Second, equipment not used regularly is equipment not maintained.

Keeping people and equipment around on "standby" isn't nearly as dependable
as keeping them operating routinely.

Also, internet end user access may well NOT be available in a disaster
situation even if the rest of the network is "self healing."  We will need
ways to jump over the broken part (by radio, of course) to a point on the
internet that's still working.  This hop might be short or long depending
on the user's location and other factors.

Maybe we should encourage some transponder bandwidth/time for bent pipe
applications?  It might turn out to be useful and we might learn something
along the way.

Well, the P3D Program folks will worry about this so we don't have to right

In the mean time, keep working on the digital systems!!!

73, art.....

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