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Re: Going Digital... Ham Radio?

Bob, Jon, John & Lee
    This noon time discussion has been the most stimulating communications
thinking I have seen recently. Along these lines, just point someone like me
to the sources of equipment capable of simply giving me wireless access at
something like my current 28.8 dialup rate (out in the hinterland the only
other choice is PC Direct Sat.;which we use); back to my desktop and I'll
order today. I agree there is much that can be done with current speeds, but
it seems like years ago when I heard of hams playing with higher data rates.
When I was a charter member of TAPR, living in Tucson (W7EGV) I would have
bet we'd be farther along by now.
    Bob, reading your post on the Hansen concept made me pull up his article
on TAPR and it reminded me of when we were all hot for those early sat.
ideas and Price making his comments at that AMSAT meeting in Des Moines that
current terrestrial methods would not suffice. So moving from there, is it
your position that given decent content and John's RadioMirror type of
streaming; we could drag some hams kicking and screaming into wireless
reception instead of desktop viewing? I see people wanting that untethered
information in the real world. I am convinced that wireless delivery to
WinCE devices is going to be huge, but the content is the key and I wonder
if that need for content is sufficient to provide the necessary impetus in
the niche we are talking about.

Gun Steele WØGUN

Gun Steele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga@nadn.navy.mil>
To: "Jon Ogden" <jono@enteract.com>
Cc: <Lee810@aol.com>; <amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Going Digital... Ham Radio?

> > high speed wireless connections.  One compelling application that comes
> > to mind is wireless Internet surfing.  But would there be a problem with
> > that?...  the idea of surfing really can't be done.
> Actually, it can...
> One 1200 baud 2m frequency can deliver over 10 megabytes per day.  If your
> local HAM WEB server continuously streams out "requested" web pages from
> the favorite "ham approved" WEB sites, then your MOBILE or handheld system
> could capture your pages and have them available to you on demand.  John
> Hansen who wrote about this at DCC in 1997 (HAMweb).
> If you stream data on a single 9600 baud frequency you can deliver over 80
> Megaybtes per day.  PER CHANNEL. That is an awful lot of WEB pages for you
> to look at.
> The concept is simple.  The WEB server responds to URL requests from
> users.  ANd it just keeps streaming the data.  YOUR PC captures
> EVERYTHING, whether you requrested it or not.  But later if you DO want to
> look at AMSAT's pages, then your PC already has TODAYS updates...
> AMSAT is very familiiar with this, its like the PACSAT PROTOCOL.  But with
> the PACSATS, you only get maybe four 12 minute passes a day.  But with a
> local RF FEED going 24 hours a day, you can get THIRTY times the amount of
> data per day...  Even at 9600 baud, that is a LOT of data.
> Just FOUR frequencies in your local area could keep everyone updated at
> 9600 baud with everything you would want to know about:
> CHANNEL 2:  APRS worldwide LIVE feed and COMM channel
> In fact, the PC at the WEB server could simply SCAN all the AMSAT-BB
> looking for URL's and then INSERT those WEB pages into the FEED.  THus,
> when you decide to "surf", your PC already has a copy of everythying that
> was new today...  Same for the other channels...
> Memory is cheap.  Let your PC fill up with everything happening in HAM
> radio all day around the clock.  Then it is THERE when YOU need it...
> AND we can do it at our measly 9600 baud or even 1200 baud rates.
> Where will you find 4 or a dozen DIgital WEB SERVER channels? EASY!
> There are 70 or more in YOUR local area on 2 meters alone!. See
> http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/server.txt
> In a nutshell, a REPEATER can continuously transmit 1 second data bursts
> on its OWN "input" frequency whenever no one else is using the repeater.
> None of the users will ever hear it, AND the voice users can capture the
> repeater at any time by simply holding their PTT for 1 second before
> speaking....  Yet, when the repeater is NOT in use, it delivers over
> 80 megabytes of data to everyone in range all day long....
>  yet  de WB4APR, Bob
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