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RE: Re: [sarex] MIR

Dear Friends
I don't usually bother with these type of threads, but this one strikes a
The trouble with FM LEOS is that their not being used by beginners but
usually a small group of power hungry people who just stay there and never
upgrade or move on.  Throwing more LEO's out there isn't the answer.  Maybe
we should try cooperation and education to help new people get started. 

Maybe we got carried away with P3D, and should have stayed with a Oscar 10
or 13 type bird with Mode J.  The truth is no amount of LEO sat or dual
band ports are going to increases our ranks if we act like jerks. 

This is my opinion and I did not mean to offend anyone.  If you haven't got
the drift of my message please respond with your flaming to davis@city-net.com
Best Wishes to you all.
 >> -----Original Message-----
 >> From: Clifford Buttschardt [mailto:cbuttsch@slonet.org]
 >> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 2:08 AM
 >> To: Michael P. Olbrisch
 >> Cc: 'David Guimont'; k6due@nr.infi.net; amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org
 >> Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: [sarex] MIR
 >>> Mike your way off base on this!  
 >Don't think so.
 >> Mode A was defunct years ago.  Mode J is just barely surviving.  
 >Was working last time I checked.  There will be several boyscouts
 >on the other side of the mountain here that will be very very
 >disappointed if somebody stole the easy-sats before the even
 >get a license.
 >> Dave is stating what we have known for years, that is that the 
 >> simplistic approach to satellites simply will not work!!
 >Hmmmmm.... then I have a shitload of simplistic and valueless
 >QSL cards dating back from Oscar-6
 >>      It is no different that trying to make a portrait painter out 
 >> of a house painter----there just is so much more involved. 
 >The portrait painter started somewhere, and it may have been
 >house painting.  Even Picaso started out somewhere.
 >> Otherwise we simply feed into the notion that more is better 
 >> and that the damn HT is really somethingother than a damn 
 >> fool toy, which it is!    Cliff K7RR
 >Well, I guess most of us just can't afford to start with an AO-10
 >class station as you did.  Guess you would have every satellite
 >be a P3D class or better now???
 >There is a place for SIMPLE systems, and these should be a place
 >where beginners can cheaply try satellite communications.
 >>From the several private replies I got, I would suppose that
 >most folks feel the same way.
 >On the other hand, there are MANY simple satellites up and
 >running now.  And AO-10 is sitting with one antenna in the
 >grave, and the other on a banana peel.  P3D is just sitting.
 >You know, maybe I do see your point.  If there were nothing
 >but AO-10 and P3D, and some other super-sats, all the beginners
 >who did not know how to track, or tune Doppler, or follow a QSO
 >could learn with the big boys.  Wow, the QRM and bedlam would
 >be something to listen to.  Carriers sweeping up and down on top
 >of your QSO, because the beginners didn't know how to find
 >their own downlink.  What fun.  Even you could help to teach them.
 >Yep, better a Porsche locked in the garage than a ford on the
 >If it were not for the easy sats, I, and many others, would not
 >even be on sats at all.  But perhaps that is what you are wishing
 >for anyway?
 >Type away, you'll not convince me that satellites MUST be
 >difficult and complicated to function, and that there is no
 >place in satellites for easy sats or beginners.  But feel free
 >to try  <GRIN>
 >Vy73,  Mike.   KD9KC    MARS: AAV6EV
 >kd9kc@elp.rr.com  -  kd9kc@amsat.org
 >Home page: http://www.qsl.net/kd9kc/
 >The farthest WEST ham in West Texas.
 >Suing gun manufacturers over murders involving 
 >guns is like suing fertilizer manufacturers and 
 >Ryder Trucks for the Oklahoma City bombing!
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