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Re: Newbie Question(s)

Hi Cliff;

Things that are simple and boring to one individual just might be exciting
and thrilling to another. I am wondering how you became the judge of what
satellite communication  should be? My years of working OSCAR 10 - 13 with a
Ten-Tec 23b with Cushcraft antennas are some of the most enjoyable in my 38
years of amateur radio. By the way, I also enjoyed operating a major packet
BBS for 3 years. If you think any form of satellite operation is simple, you
have not learned the basics of Keplerian elements, doppler shift, satellite
location and hand operation of transmitter and receiver "CB" quality
knowledge required to be proficient in non-automated communication.

By the way, how do you tell the difference between cash register noise and
an unknown high speed multiplexed encripted digital signal?

-----Original Message-----
From: Clifford Buttschardt <cbuttsch@slonet.org>
To: Stan <stan@capeonramp.com>
Cc: Joel B. Black <jbblack@wwisp.com>; amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Newbie Question(s)

>In the last week I surely have had my share of "flames" and I would guess
>it is my time for the BBQ.  I'll try again, probably as I am as devoted a
>Satellite user as anyone.
>The messages below indicates that again, we are trying to do with a model
>A what a Tauras requires.  People, we simply can not make things this
>simple!  Satellites are NOT CB, and thank god for that!  It is no
>different than the guy that can not tell the difference between a
>radiating cash register and a valid signal!  Cliff K7RR
>On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Stan wrote:
>> Hello Koel,
>> My 2 cents for "sat ops" on a budget:
>> I have had QSO's using my Yaesu FT-5200 FM mobile rig with the
>> 2 band larsen vertical antenna on the car roof, 2M uplink and
>> 436.8 Mhz downlink on AO-27. Simple to implement and fun.
>> Consider the Yaesu FT-847, Much more radio than the ICOM IC-821
>> or 820.
>> For the RS satellites I used my existing HF rig, and wire
>> dipoles for 15M uplink and 10M downlink or a Diamond
>> vertical for the 2M downlink with a Yaesu FT-736R.
>> A computer in the shack is neccesary to determine
>> when the sats are visible, A internet connection can get the
>> satellite element  sets to plug into your tracking program.
>> Or get sat elements on the 2M packet network/bbs.
>> I still use AMSAT's INSTANTRACK (sp) for my PC.
>> Other programs are available for tacking and telementry decoding.
>> As the budget permits: ( my order of priority.... HI )
>> 1. mast mount preamplifiers for the downlink vertical antennas.
>>     Mirage stuff will work, Consider the Landwehr 2m, 70 cm preamps also.
>> 2. circularly polarized antennas for uplink and downlink. 2M and 70 cm
>>     consider the M2 2" OD fiberglass horizontal boom, longer than KLM's
>> 3. antenna azimuth and elevation positioners like the Yaesu 5400
>>     or the new M2 MT1000.(el positioner)
>> 4. Packet TNC for 9600. Be careful on what unit you buy,
>>     some are reportedly a bear to set up.
>> 5. 1269 Mhz transverter with 2M IF, for P3D, uplink
>>     (1268= 144, 1269 = 145 Mhz).
>>     use receive down converter for terrestrial  QSO's.
>> 6. 2400 Mhz transverter with 2M IF (144 = 2400, 2401 = 145Mhz) for P3D,
>>     and antenna mounted on the cross boom.
>> 7. a tower to give you a clear sight to the radio horizon.
>>     associated coax, positioner control cables, lightning arrestors.
>> 8. 5,668  Mhz uplink, transmit converter 2M IF for P3D and antenna
>>     (5,668 = 144 Mhz).
>> 9. 10,451, and 24,048 Mhz receive downconverters for P3D, 2M IF
>> 10. satellite tracking controller hardware to allow your tracking
>>     to control you antenna positions.
>>     Then you can spend more time in QSO,  than moving antennas.
>> 11. I am sure other folks have good suggstions and priorities..
>> My 2 cents,
>> Stan, WA1ECF   LM-AMSAT
>> Joel B. Black wrote:
>> > Oh, where to start.
>> >
>> > After being in the hobby for a few years and finally ignoring what
>> > hams say, I am going to take the plunge into the Amateur Satellite
>> > realm!  I really have no idea where to begin, however.
>> >
>> > I have read the article titled "Working the Easy Sats" by Gary B
>> > WA4YMZ, and I am *really* impressed.  The only parts I really skipped
>> > over were the parts about the "RS" birds - I have *no* desire to go
>> > to HF whether it be terrestrial or satellite.
>> >
>> > After reading that article, I consulted the boss (the XYL) and asked
>> > about purchasing some more radio equipment (I had once vowed to sell
>> > everything I had due to the narrow mindedness of the local ham
>> > community).  She has no problem with the purchase of new amateur
>> > equipment.  So, now what to buy?
>> >
>> > Again, after reading the above article, my interest has really piqued.
>> > I then read the section in the 1993 edition of The ARRL Handbook.  In
>> > that section, there is just a plethora of information.  I now actually
>> > think I can get on the air for less than $2000 buying new equipment and
>> > building the antenna(s).  Now to my equipment questions.  I am planning
>> > on purchasing, new, an IC-821H.  However, I just realized that a major
>> > Amateur Radio dealer is closing out the TS-790 for the same price.
>> > Could I please have comments on these particular radios - especially
>> > from those that have owned both?  I have picked out a 440 mast-mount
>> > preamp, the Mirage KP-2/440; however, I have seen numerous e-mails on
>> > this server referencing the Landwehr pre-amps.  Pros and cons of those
>> > two pieces of equipment?  Lastly is the antenna.  My father-in-law, a
>> > retired machinist, can make the dual-band j-pole antenna in The ARRL
>> > Handbook.  Does anyone have any operating experience with this
>> > particular antenna.  Coax is not a problem.  I am either going to use
>> > 9913 or LMR600.  I think the LMR600 has about 5dB atten. / 500 ft.  Not
>> > a hard choice there.
>> >
>> > Now to my ultimate goal with the Amateur Satellites:  To be able to
>> > P3D (*when* it goes up) and to work the PACSATS.  For now, I just want
>> > to get started, but I want to build to that ultimate goal.
>> >
>> > I am trying to read everything I get my hands on regarding Amateur
>> > Satellites.  I plan on purchasing the just released The Radio Amateur's
>> > Satellite Handbook.
>> >
>> > Thanks for advance for all replies.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > Joel B. Black, KS4AW
>> > jbblack@wwisp.com
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