Geez mate, You must be doing something wrong. One of our clubmembers made 22 contacts with QRP and an indoor loop antenna in a contest recently. RS-12 you can work with an hf only rig with 100 W, and a multiband vertical. All you need for packet is a 2nd or 3rd hand 8088 PC, a 2nd hand FM rig, and a baycom style modem, total cost less than $100 US. How much cheaper do you want to go? 73 de Waldis - VK1WJ - http://www.effect.net.au/waldis > From: firstname.lastname@example.org > I haven't been able to > make ANY ham contact in a couple years, satelite, terrestial packet or > voice. Might as well tear up my license.