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Re: Fw: microwave bands in use

Talk about using the reflector for OTHER THAN SATELLITE purposes!! How about
this one?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey S Austin <n8vna@gte.net>
Cc: amsat-bb@AMSAT.org <amsat-bb@AMSAT.org>
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: microwave bands in use

>Hey Dan-
>Are you using a U S Government computer to do your private and
>personal e-mail or maybe you're logging into a government system to
>avoid paying a monthly charge to an ISP?
>   -73's de Jeff N8VNA
>                           U S Federal Law Enforcement Agent
>> Gregory Young wrote:
>> >Hi all:
>> >I don't have a clue on this one...
>> >What protocol am I violating on amsat-bb??????
>> >I am using my email system which is Microsoft Internet Explorer version
>> >which uses Microsoft Outlook. I have setup nothing, as it configured
>> >itself... I changed no settings, anywhere..
>> >Have been on several newsgroups, and this is the first flame I got.
>> >My message doesn't contain all caps, which I know is incorrect, so if
>> >someone will NICELY educate me as to what special setups are needed for
>> >newsgroup, I will attempt to comply.
>> I think I see what the problem is here. Greg is a newcomer to internet.
>> He buys a computer with Windoze 95 (with built in Internet Explorer) all
>> set up. Internet Explorer is set up to use another Microsoft product, an
>> e-mail program called Outlook. Outlook is obviously one of those fancy
>> "modern" e-mail programs that uses HTML format to produce nicely
>> e-mail with multiple fonts, multiple type size, and for all I know you
>> probably send messages with little bunny rabbits hopping along the
>> The "younger generation" computer geeks think this is cool....
>> Greg sends a few e-mails to friends who also have the same software
>> on their systems, and they all think that it's pretty cool. Everything is
>> running fine until the day that Greg posts an e-mail to Amsat-BB. Nobody
>> ever explained to Greg that Amsat-BB is a mail reflector (it is NOT a
>> newsgroup) which has several thousand subscribers around the world,
>> who are using every conceivable computer system known to man, including
>> that were probably designed before Greg was born. Many of these systems
>> not interpet HTML code, since HTML is a standard that is only a few years
>> old. The older computers only understand e-mail written in ASCII (for the
>> newcomers, ASCII stands for "American Standard Code for Information
>> Interchange"). ASCII has been the mail standard ever since e-mail started
>> out 25 years or so ago.
>> Greg has never used one of the "antiquated" systems, he may not even know
>> that most of the world's e-mail does not use HTML coding. He simply does
>> know that the software he is using produces e-mail traffic that looks
>> random line noise to a great many of Amsat-BB subscribers. He doesn't
>> understand why his innocent request for help on Amsat-BB results in flame
>> mail from the "older generation" computer geeks:
>> >Damnit! If you want help, don't use that GD protocol! I will rebell
>> >time, Greg and will issue an advisory that others do so as well!
>> Everything looks cool on his computer screen, so how could he be doing
>> anything wrong?
>> Greg also wrote:
>> >I just read a post stating that the problem (with my posting I assume) =
>> >is html, which is built into Internet Explorer Outlook email.
>> >I will search for a way to turn it off.. but just wanted to let you all
>> >know I figured out what the complaint was, based on seeing other mail.
>> >If people when they setup newsgroups have restrictions they should have
>> >a list of rules when you join that newsgroup, shouldn't they?
>> >Some people are really nice to newcomers, aren't they?
>> >73, Greg
>> Amsat could probably try to better educate Amsat-BB users about these
>> issues, but we are still trying to figure out how to get people to send
>> their "unsubscribe" requests to listserv@amsat.org instead of
>> amsat-bb@amsat.org,  so I don't know if there is any hope of educating
>> the newbies (and some old-timers) about more advanced issues like the
>> difference between ASCII and HTML e-mail. And since I am not familiar
>> with Microsoft Outlook, I can offer Greg no advice on how to "turn off"
>> the HTML output, or even if it is possible to do so.
>> Microsoft and the other e-mail companies all hope that their new standard
>> will catch on and become the new world wide e-mail standard. If they can
>> sell their software to enough newcomers like Greg, the world's e-mail
>> reflectors and usenet newsgroups will eventually have so much HTML
>> that the "older generation" computer geeks who grew up using ASCII will
>> eventually give in and buy the new fangled software. Microsoft has no
>> incentive to educate Greg in how to "turn off" the HTML feature on the
>> Outlook program, since it is in their best interest if unsuspecting
>> newbies continue to flood Amsat-BB and all the other message channels
>> with their HTML formatted traffic.
>> Some Amsat-BB subscribers will argue that the old-timers should stop
>> obstructing progress and just go with the flow, that if the world wants
>> to make HTML the new standard for e-mail, everyone should get with the
>> program and junk their old mail systems. Then a few years from now they
>> can junk their HTML software when the next new fad comes along. This
>> is, afterall, the way that standards are often made in the computer
>> world.
>> So in the end I would suggest that everybody calm down. The presence
>> of HTML traffic on Amsat-BB is not Greg's fault, because nobody ever
>> told him about these issues.
>> Dan Schultz N8FGV